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Oct 3
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, 2005 at 5:30pm
beefhole
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I have my first solo x-country next weekend. I'll be flying down to Wildwood (Cape May), routed over VAY to avoid the Philly class B. I have, to date, 8.8 xcountry hours. Well, I'm, just not the greatest at the whole VFR xcountry thing, so I'm glad there's GPS onboard
(just in case I mean)
How'd everybody else's first solo xcountry go?
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Oct 3
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Not bad, until I the storms came between me and my home airport on my last leg, not to mention the fact that I was paying too much attention to the acrobatic airplanes waiting to take off while I was landing at the last airport to realize I was landing with the wind instead of into it, finally realized it while I watched the runway just keep floating by beneath me.
But you'll do fine, and if not, we won't hear about it.
Just kidding, it still is one of my best memories from flight training, being out alone for the first time, watching towns and everything just sliding beneath you, it's really great.
Good Luck!
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Oct 3
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My solo cross countries were pretty fun! There is nothing better than kicking your instructor out of the aircraft while you can enjoy the scenery!
On my first one, my instructor went out of town, to a place I was flying to. Once I was in their vicinity, the tower there told me that my instructor said "dont forget to close off my flight plan." Was kinda cool! After exploring various towns on my own, and finally heading back, it was great and cozy seeing my home town appear right in my views, its awesome.
Anyways, im sure you will have fun! If you can flight plan properly, chances are, if you fly your calculated track from start to finished, you will be absolutely amazed how easy it is to navigate! Take your time, clear your mind, remember the whole aircraft is yours for the trip and your in charge!
Cheers,
RB
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Oct 4
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I can't really remember it that well other than I saw a pair of F-15s just before cutting it short due to weather, and having to wander back between the clouds at 1500ft. Thankfully I knew the area very well so the free nav wasn't a problem.
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Oct 4
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Hands down, my solo cross country was the best moment of my flight training! (well, first solo aside
)
Seriously, it was a wonderful experience. Between tackling controlled and uncontrolled airports I flew up into northern Ontario and got to see some fantastic lakes and hundreds of thousands of miles of forested lands - just gorgeous! I'd hate to think where I would have landed had my engine conked, but it sure looked pretty XD. It was nice to get to really work with the FSS along the route and get into position report habits, opening/closing flight plans, checking weather, yadda yadda.
EXCELLENT practice for working on pilotage skills! At that point I hadn't been taught how to use any radio aids yet, so the whole thing was entirely flown based on chart skills. I'm the opposite - I LOVE flying by chart and dead reckoning and hate using a GPS (which wasn't installed in the 150 I was flying anyway XD), so I had a ball. Mind you, on the last leg back I ran into horrible turbulence and stabbed myself good in the thigh with my mechanical pencil as I was marking my time and revised ETA over a checkpoint - suffice to say, no more mechanical pencils in the cockpit for a while
.
It felt great to finally get a good long trip under my belt alone, without my instructor along. Your confidence really climbs after you tackle all of the planning, radio work, navigation, traffic sighting, spacing, etc without that extra person in the right hand seat to turn to if you're uncertain or have a question - now you're solving everything that crops up all by yourself based on your training and study up to that point, and that just feels good
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And if the weather is nice and you have a scenic route picked out, you get a great view along the way!
Good luck, I hope it goes well!
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Oct 4
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beefhole
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I'm the opposite - I LOVE flying by chart and dead reckoning and hate using a GPS
I love flying by the chart too, I'm just no good at it
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Oct 5
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Have faith beefhole, have faith! Fly the track and make it back!
Cheers,
RB
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Oct 5
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so I'm glad there's GPS onboard
Only use GPS as a backup, don't rely on it or it might cost you your life. Seriously!
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Oct 5
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You know that inless your chart is wgs-84 then it could be as much as half a mile out of sync with a gps position.
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 12:23pm
beefhole
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Only use GPS as a backup, don't rely on it or it might cost you your life. Seriously!
It's broken twice, in flight, since I've been training. I KNOW. I'm not that type of pilot.
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You know that inless your chart is wgs-84 then it could be as much as half a mile out of sync with a gps position.
But the GPS position isn't out of sync with the airports
Thanks for the encouragement guys
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 1:58pm
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But the GPS position isn't out of sync with the airports
Don't get what you mean there. But if a chart hasn't been gps confirmed then everything on it could be half a mile out. But as it's difficult to get a non wgs-84 chart these days I don't think you need worry.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 2:57pm
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Don't get what you mean there. But if a chart hasn't been gps confirmed then everything on it could be half a mile out. But as it's difficult to get a non wgs-84 chart these days I don't think you need worry.
Basically, a direct line from airport to airport is the exact same on my chart as it is on my GPS. There is only one way to go straight to something. If the GPS brings you straight to an airport, and not a half mile off, then therefore it must be in sync with the map. And I know the GPS is accurate, I've used it on several flights. Not like I'll be using it as my primary navigation.
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 3:14pm
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Good luck Brendon, in a few years I'll be doing the same thing...
Ben 8)
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 3:28pm
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You'll like Wildwood- make sure you have time to check out the museum while you're there.
Don't get a psych on about your pilotage skills, you'll get the hang of it after a few more x-cs, I bet. It's hard to use the chart on short flights close to home, sometimes... on my recent BFR, I had a hell of a time at one point getting oriented; no significant landmarks nearby, except the home airport (!), which I couldn't see because it was under us...as I circled and fumbled with the chart...
That's where ded. reckoning comes in. If you plan very carefully beforehand with a nav log showing ETAs for reliable landmarks about 20 miles apart or so, you should do fine. I've also learned to plan to fly abeam airports and other small landmarks- too easy to not know your time of passage because you can't see the thing under the nose.
Of course, you should also remember your lost procedures, which includes calling ATC and admitting you're a noob and you're lost, if necessary. They'll be happy to help and won't laugh at you- not on the air, anyway...
Another thing about learning DR and pilotage: by all means use navaids as part of it. I'll often use a radial with a visual landmark ("OK, that's the river, but which part?"); that and NDB bearings and DME info. help you learn how to follow that line on the chart without "cheating", that is, flying from navaid to navaid.
So plan carefully, fly the trip in the sim, then go have a great time!
And watch out for A-220... I don't know what they do in there, but I avoid it.
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 3:36pm
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Thanks Rotty, I've been told I may use VORs (not like they'd know anyway
). I've been to Wildwood before, but only a quick touch and go. I doubt I'll have time to get out this time around either, the 172s at Wings are generally booked solid.
I have more x-country time under my belt than your average student before they go solo x-country, so I expect it to go smoothly
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 3:38pm
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Basically, a direct line from airport to airport is the exact same on my chart as it is on my GPS. There is only one way to go straight to something. If the GPS brings you straight to an airport, and not a half mile off, then therefore it must be in sync with the map. And I know the GPS is accurate, I've used it on several flights. Not like I'll be using it as my primary navigation.
Good oh.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Oct 5
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, 2005 at 4:06pm
flightmedic
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Beefy oh beefy.................
Havn't chated with you in a while.
Don't worry bro.........you'll do fine. One thing I have found out is that if your not nervous a little bit......your not ready!! X-countries are great. As long as you can fly track and make corrections should drift occur you will be fine. I loved mine. Yes, there was some drift and using my training I was able to reconnect with the tract and was fine.
Keep us posted bud.
Brent
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Oct 5
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Duh- I never mentioned my first solo x-c story:
Let's see now (in Grampa Simpson voice).... It was November 1996; I had about 53 hrs., and had flown solo from KTEB to 4N1 to N07 to TEB back in a C172 that September, but that didn't officially count.... so I planned a longer flight to Sullivan County (MSV) and back, this time in a C152. My usual 172 was down for repairs, which I didn't find out until I walked into the school, with a now nearly-useless navlog in my hand (times were now all wrong).
No big deal; as long as I hit my first checkpoint properly, I could re-calculate the groundspeed and take it from there. But it would've been better to just re-do the log on the ground first...
My flight journal from that day also reveals:
"Stationary front NW, wind calm, sky 6000 BKN".
I maybe should have changed my entire route, too...
As I made my way NW, I could see things thickening up a bit ahead, but at all times I made sure I could make a 180 in VMC and just go back...no, really. I had no desire to flirt with IMC.
Near the Hugenot VOR, it started raining a little, and the MSV AWOS confirmed that the clouds there are nearly touching my student ceiling limit of 5000 feet. But I still had a little better than 10 miles vis., the way back was sunny and clear, so on I went..
Only to get lost- sort of. I was looking for an oblong-ish lake close to the airport, and saw one, but it didn't look right. As I circled in light drizzle over the lake trying to read the chart, I decided I'd drifted north to Neversink Reservoir, or maybe Rondout. You can see if you look at a NY sectional that I was definitely a greenhorn then- that's a lot of drift!!
I turned slightly south, expecting MSV to come up, but found more small lakes. Another look at the chart, and I realized I was just south of my course (there's a private floatplane base on the sectional: 'Fireman's'). LOL... did I feel stupid. But proud I'd actually been more or less on-course originally.
Soon I was about to give up. the clouds were quite low several miles west; seemed to be getting worse- it was turning into marginal VMC. I tried to get a radio check from MSV and only heard clicking (realized later that somebody was keying the mic in response, but not speaking).
I decided to turn around, and as i did, I looked down, and there was the runway. Somehow I'd flown right over MSV.
A Skyhawk pilot there announced a downwind takeoff to the east (to avoid the clouds west, I guess), so I decided to follow suit for my landing, in case I had to go around. The runway is long there, and it wasn't too wet, and the rain had stopped, so it went quite well. Hadn't flown a 152 in months- i was pretty pleased with myself.
I jumped out to take a leak in the deserted terminal, grabbed a pamphlet as a souvenir and proof for my instructor, and high-tailed it out of there before the clouds could smother the airport, or the rain could start up again. I lucked out- it was still pretty good at that point. MSV AWOS still claimed 5000, and it looked about that. I was well under the upsloping layer of clouds all the way back to KTEB, although there were a few tendrils reaching down around me the first few miles.
Got back to KTEB near sunset, and of course the tower had me circle the NDB over Paterson a few times... sigh... good thing I recently had taken some night dual, and Teterboro has tons of lighting...
And of course, the landing light wasn't working... dazzled by the runway lights as I was, the darkening runway looked like a black void as I came in to flare. I have no idea if I was officially night-flying on that landing, but it was pretty dark on the ground...
All in all a good first official X-C, but it would've been less stressful if I'd decided to go south instead of towards the front, even though it was barely moving.
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Oct 22
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I learned to fly in the western half of Washington State. X-countries were prety easy. Keep the water on one side, and the (closer) mountains on the other.
Only had one problem... and that was because the airport I used as a checkpoint was right under my butt.
Don't worry about the flight. As long as you have a VOR and flight following, it's impossible to get lost.
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Oct 22
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My first, solo cross country was long enough ago that I'd have to make up the details to make an interesting story out of it. It was in upper Michigan so, like Boss' I was always in sight of a coast (Lake Michigan), nearly impossible to get lost. I do remember being thorough about everything EXCEPT checking NOTAMs.. AND calling each field before taking off (a good practice in upper Michigan, mid-winter).
My first stop, 5Y1, a fairly remote field, was still snow covered but easy enough to find, as it's nestled in the middle of a forrest... even a snow covered runway stands out. Had to do a low pass there. The main runway, 34/16 at my next stop, KCIU was closed for work on the lights.. so I had to tackle a crosswind on the shorter, narrower 9/27. No big deal, but underlined the importance of pre-flight planning. I was the rawest of student pilots, already altering the simplest of flights.
Instead of going straight back to ISQ (original airport), I had to divert to ERY for the required, third landing.
Anyway.. if you can.. pick airports with VORs at the field. If you ever do get really lost, you can always fly right to the VOR. KEEP THE GPS ON A NON-MAP PAGE... Or off completely if you don't need it to keep from straying into restricted or towered airspace (the only reason I ever even turn one on). A moving map takes all the fun and skill out of learning navigation.
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Oct 22
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Where I think I'm going and where the GPS says I'm going, and where I am and where the GPS says I am never agree.
And the GPS is always right.
Surrounded by a military airfield (whose airpsace I have busted before and they are NOT happy when you do that), a class D and a class B I am obliged to use the GPS for at least the first part of the flight. I'm just not good enough at finding my position visually to do completely without it.
Yes, the only way I'll learn is by flying without it-but that's for when there's an instructor in the plane. Plus, it should also be noted, I do not plan on being a regular VFR pilot-of course I need the good foundation, I can't shuck it aside and go "I don't need to know this", but in the future (and after I get my IFR, of course) if I ever take a GA plane anywhere it'll be a filed as IFR.
Thanks for sharing your stories everyone
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It never occured to me until I read this thread, but....
I've never solo'd cross-country.
Since my dad has been a pilot since I was a kid and he's the one who got me started, I've always taken him with me. Flying is the one thing (other than politics) that he and I can get along over, so it's our quality/bonding time.
If fact, I'm not looking forward to the day when he's gone and I can't fly with him.
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