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Battle of Mogadishu (Read 1116 times)
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October 3rd 1993 US forces storm a building in Mogadishu hoping to capture Mohammed Farah Aidid and his top Aides in an attempt to restore some stability to Somalia. The result was two downed Blackhawk Helicopters the loss of 18 US soldiers 1 captured and an estimated loss of over 600 Somali's.
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Oct 4
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Wasn't this the battle that the Film "Black Hawk Down" was based on?
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Yes,
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, it was.
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which was actually based on a book.
The question would be, how many people would even have known about this incident had it not been for a movie.
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which was actually based on a book.
The question would be, how many people would even have known about this incident had it not been for a movie.
Me! I read the book.
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Clap clap for the handicap!
That's a right royal screwup right there, isnt it!
I read a story on rotten dot com, where a boy was suspended for asking one of the pilots (at a school assembly) "We you raped at all?"
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Oct 5
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No comment from my side on the "why".
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Nice one Andrew!
Helluva screwup though
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Thanks Bombi!
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which was actually based on a book.
The question would be, how many people would even have known about this incident had it not been for a movie.
I was following the news about it as it happened.....with great disgust!
It definately was a battle that changed the world. No doubt about it!
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It definately was a battle that changed the world. No doubt about it!
I doubt it. Nothing really changed after the battle except public opinion forced the Americans to withdraw soon after therefore allowing just about everything to revert to how it was before it even began.
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I doubt it. Nothing really changed after the battle except public opinion forced the Americans to withdraw soon after therefore allowing just about everything to revert to how it was before it even began.
Osama Bin Laden concluded that Americans won't tolerate dead Americans, therefore America has no stomach for a fight. If there was ever a green light to plan and carry out the 9/11 attack, it was how we cut and ran in Mogadishu.
The first part of my statement is a fact, the second part is my opinion based on the previous fact.
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The question would be, how many people would even have known about this incident had it not been for a movie.
Not me! America has so many little Special Forces operations against villages of brown people it's not worth keeping track of. How many conflicts or incidents have we (America) had between Korea and Vietnam (which was itself officially a conflict)? Between World War II and today? I shudder to think.
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Osama Bin Laden concluded that Americans won't tolerate dead Americans, therefore America has no stomach for a fight. If there was ever a green light to plan and carry out the 9/11 attack, it was how we cut and ran in Mogadishu.
It's what I (or any other half competent commander) would've done. And as we all know, Sir bin Laden is no boob.
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America has so many little Special Forces operations against villages of brown people it's not worth keeping track of.
What does that suppose to mean?
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Not me! America has so many little Special Forces operations against villages of brown people it's not worth keeping track of. How many conflicts or incidents have we (America) had between Korea and Vietnam (which was itself officially a conflict)? Between World War II and today? I shudder to think.
As compared to the UK? France? Belgium? etc. etc. etc.?
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You'd be surprised how many small special operation missions the US and UK especially get upto that you'll never hear about without really looking for.
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It's a bit disturbing that many seem to think that the U.S. is the only one involved in some of these things. Especially when some think such about U.N. operations -- like the U.S is the only operative member.
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It's a bit disturbing that many seem to think that the U.S. is the only one involved in some of these things. Especially when some think such about U.N. operations -- like the U.S is the only operative member.
With the demise of the British Empire following the end of WWII the United States took over the mantle of the 'big bad boy' of the West. This is what comes with the territory of arguably the most powerful & wealthy democratic nation on Earth. With the UN rapidly losing its credibility, if it ever had any, the US is the prime mover in international affairs & could be seen as effectively the same as the UN. Like it or not, this is a huge responsibility.
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...could be seen as effectively the same as the UN.
Umm...if the USA was really some kind of UN, the Middle East would have been defused by now (peacefully).
Sorry, but I think the motivation for the US to do something internationally is to a good amount of their own interests, whatever they may be.
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Umm...if the USA was really some kind of UN, the Middle East would have been defused by now (peacefully).
Not quite what I meant. The interests of one nation are obviously different to a group of nations which the UN was intended to represent. Whether they want the responsibility or not, the interests of the US & decisions of its government have affected the whole world for a long time now.
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Oh please, the UN today is as effective as a wet noodle. Too much infighting to many scandles and too many political agendas. It needs to be dismantled and restarted properly.
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Oh please, the UN today is as effective as a wet noodle. Too much infighting to many scandles and too many political agendas. It needs to be dismantled and restarted properly.
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My statement was more to the fact that some don't even recognize the part that any other nation has unless something goes wrong (a few dozen or so of their personnel are killed, etc.). As far as starting it all over, it would possibly begin looking good but variably wind up going a similar course until it's effectively right back to where it's at. Ah, yes, we progress so well.
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What does that suppose to mean?
I don't intend to load up my messages with political innuendoes, if that's what you think.
It's just that do many operations we've carried out seem to be conveniently left out of history class. I wouldn't find it incredible if operation (that we're allowed to know of) have numbered into the 20s-50s. Like the movie Tears of the Sun. When I first saw that movie, my first impression was, when did this happen? Although to be honest I wasn't at all surprised.
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Umm...if the USA was really some kind of UN, the Middle East would have been defused by now (peacefully).
Sorry, but I think the motivation for the US to do something internationally is to a good amount of their own interests, whatever they may be.
The more I read about the Pacific Theatre (the part nobody talks about; the Sino-Japanese Conflict) the more parallels I see between Imperialist Japan and Modern America. Which would be a good reason to keep it hush hush. Although I wouldn't want to delve to deeply into that, because I'm sure politics would break out, and just like everybody else, I love my country (as much as I can).
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Although I wouldn't want to delve to deeply into that, because I'm sure politics would break out, and just like everybody else, I love my country (as much as I can).
It's possible to love one's country while deploring what various politicians have done & are still doing to it. Before anyone starts objecting I'm thinking specifically of my own country.
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It's possible to love one's country while deploring what various politicians have done & are still doing to it. Before anyone starts objecting I'm thinking specifically of my own country.
I suspect every country has been guilty of such at some point in history, if she isn't currently embroiled in some activity in at the current moment.
The advice of keeping a clear head seems to be ignored every so often here, and although it will inevitably come, I prefer not to be the harbinger of a fueled debate.
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I suspect every country has been guilty of such at some point in history, if she isn't currently embroiled in some activity in at the current moment.
My country has been responsible for some terrible things during its long & chequered history. While I love my country & could be considered deeply patriotic I cannot agree with or try to condone many of these things. I'm often ashamed when I discover what's been done in my or my ancestors' names although there's nothing I nor anyone else can do about it & I don't have the right to apologise on other people's behalf. This country has changed out of all recognition during my lifetime & many people would say not for the better. Despite everything successions of governments of all parties have done & are still doing to ruin it I still love it & still think it's the best country in the whole world. I suspect that's the main reason so many people want to live here & sometimes risk their lives to do so.
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The more I read about the Pacific Theatre (the part nobody talks about; the Sino-Japanese Conflict) the more parallels I see between Imperialist Japan and Modern America.....
Although I wouldn't want to delve to deeply into that, because I'm sure politics would break out
....uhhh, too late.
The problem I'm currently having is I've read too much about the Pacific War to agree with your assertion.
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