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Oct 1st, 2005 at 10:56pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 
I decided to go ahead and copy this post I made at a from a technical support website for MSI motherboards. It is my method of keeping a system in perfect tune. There is a limit to the amount I can put in 1 post so this will be in several segments below.
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Flight Simulator can be a tough program to get tweaked. It is memory dependant and both CPU and GPU intense as well. Flight Simulator is a 3D application that differs from others because the variables that constantly change in textures and level of details to include weather, AI traffic, geography, populated areas and effects. In order to get FS to perform smoothly with the aircraft being released, such as PMDG products, it usually requires changes to the cloud textures and other FS9.cfg tweaks to produce satisfactory results with the big planes around large airports. It also requires the system (OS) be tuned for peak efficiency.

Backin the days of Windows95 and 2000, there were some really good OS and registry tweaks that would give boosts in performance. With WindowsXP that has changed. Just as 99% of the WindowsXP registry performance hacks posted on the internet are total placebo bunk, there are allot of myths about setting and tweaks in FS which produce nothing more that placebo results. Tuning FS for an acceptable performance to quality ratio is a strictly dependant on the individual system and personal preference. The rest is system wide related.  

The best tweaks one can do to/for that program (or to keep any system at 100% peak OS efficiency), are in order as follows:



Windows Performance Maintenance.........



The following maintenace is performed in the numerical order presented below. There are serious technical  reasons for following the order of the list:


GO TO WINDOWS UPDATE AND INSTALL EVERY CRITICAL UPDATE THERE IS. ALSO INSTALL ANY OTHER UPDATES YOU MAY WANT FROM W/U. MAKE SURE AFTER AN UPDATE IS COMPLETED YOU RETURN TO WINDOWS UPDATE TO CONFIRM THERE ARE NO MORE. SOME UPDATES WILL NOT SHOW UP AND RELY ON A PREVIOUS UPDATE BEING INSTALLED FIRST, SO GO BACK TO WINDOWS UPDATE SEVERAL TIMES TO CONFIRM EVERYTHING WAS INSTALLED.
http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

Make sure WindowsXp SP2 is installed


1.      Disable Windows hidden files and folders so that during maintenance all files are available for review and analysis.

2.      Reduce the video card latency to 32 or 64. ATI has a factory default of 249 (as I recall). The AGP system of motherboards runs at 32. There are programs out there that will set the latency of the video card on Windows boot. I use: PCI Latency Tool v1.02 and do not use any tray based video card tweakers for that or any other purpose. ALso.. AGP APERTURE in the BIOS to 128.. no more, no less. 128

3.      Remove all non-essential programs from the tray. I have 2 items in my tray, the antivirus (which I can disable-enable when needed) and the sound manager, which takes no resources to run. All other programs have been removed.

4.      Killing all or most Windows services for game use is a myth. As long as there are no huge 3rd party non-Microsoft Windows service running and there are no tray programs running the hit to the system is minimal. There are a few services that can be shut down permanently based on the individual system but killing them all for 3D applications on systems of DDR333+ with 768MB of memory and higher is bunk. You will need to review your system and the technical websites which discuss Windows services to decide what services must be enabled on your system based on how you use the system. Find out what it is you absolutely do not need and disable the services perminantly.


5.      Antivirus… this one can cause problems even with it terminated. Any Norton (Symantec Product) and a few other choice antivirus names are system wide killers of resources. I have wiped out all my hard drives in the past just to get rid of everything Symantec makes because of how bad their software infiltrates and takes over a system and uninstalling the products and/or using the Symantec cleaner tools does not get rid of Symantec control. I use the ENTERPRISE edition of McAfee, version 8.0 as it has the least impact on resources than any other antivirus on the market and provides the best protection at the same time. Unlike Norton and other virus scanners I have used, the Enterprise Edition of McAfee has never allowed a successful attack to take place in the 3 years I have used it on 5 different systems.

6.      As long as you know what you are doing, clean out the startup system from the register, NOT the System Configuration utility. I have 5 absolutely necessary items on my startup. 2 Antivirus Related, 1 Video Latency, 1 Sound Manager, 1 ATI (CLI). None affect performance and are needed at boot. Anything else is manually deleted from the register keys:

HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Windows/Current Version/Run

and

HKCU/ Software/Microsoft/Windows/Current Version/Run.

Also, I make sure there is absolutely nothing in the Startup folder on the All Programs List menu in Windows and I set the browser INTERNET EXPLORER to EMPTY TEMPORARY INTERNET FILES ON CLOSE. Run the browser, select: TOOLS\INTERNET OPTIONS\ADVANCED\scroll down to SECURITY, check the box: EMPTY TEMPORARY INTERNET FILES ON CLOSE and hit APPLY. Close the browser.

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Reply #1 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 10:58pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 



7.      Clean out all the temp files that are not in use by the system from: C:\Windows\Temp – and - C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR ACCOUNT NAME\Local Settings\Temp  Some files may not delete as they are in use. Unless it is spyware those files are OK to stay. The next step will kill spyware.


8.      Use the free programs: SPYBOT Search & Destroy – and- AD-AWARE Personal. After initial install, make sure to run the auto updater of the programs SEVERAL TIMES prior to running them for a system check because like Windows Update, some of the updates depend on another update being downloaded and installed first. Keep running the updater until it says no other updates are available, and then run them both one after the other. What Spybot doesn’t find Ad-Aware will. Make sure to activate and use the IMMUNIZE and BLOCK BAD DOWNLOADS features in SpyBots as it protects the IE browser from attacks. Select to remove anything those programs find in the way of spyware, redirectors, reg entires or malicious toolbars. If it's on the results list, delete it. Run the FULL SYSTEM SCAN with Ad-Aware, NOT the Smart System Scan as many spyware programmers have learned how to hide things where Smart Scan doesn’t look like on other HDD's in your system. Reboot when both have completed thier scans or direct you to do. If a number of registry entries or spyware applications were found (not cookies) I recommend you run the programs again after reboot to verify you are indeed clean.

9.      Use the program REGISTRY MECHANIC version 5.0. In the OPTIONS under CUSTOM SCAN, check them ALL and run SCAN YOUR REGISTRY. Repair ALL problems found. Once completed, reboot and run REGISTRY MECHANIC again, this time to COMPACT the registry and reboot. Do not use the OPTIMIZE SYSTEM feature as it adds a service and a startup item that is not needed.

10.      Run the WINDOWS DISK CHECK on all drives. Place a check in "AUTOMATICALLY FIX ERRORS" and run ChkDsk. This requires a reboot for the Windows boot HDD and it will complete as the system boots back into Windows.

11.      Run the LATEST version of Microsoft Bootvis. Install and run the program, select: OPTIMIZE SYSTEM. This will reboot the system automatically. DO NOT TOUCH THE SYSTEM AS IT IS BOOTING BACK INTO WINDOWS UNTIL THE PROGRAM POPS UP AND SAYS IT IS FINISHED. It can take several minutes if it has never been run on your system. Bootvis only needs to be run ONCE in order to correctly identify and stamp all the startup files in Windows for the Defrag program correctly find and place. If you have used Bootvis on your current setup within the last 3 months you can skip this step if you like.




 
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Reply #2 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 11:00pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 
               ..POPULAR MYTHS........              ........THE MYTH LIST........            ........POPULAR MYTHS........  


MYTH: The page file should be set to 1.5X the memory installed and should be placed on another partition or hard disk. If you have more than 1-2+ gigs of memory, use no page file. Use the Task Manager to see how much you are using and reduce or increase it accordingly.  Cool)

HORSE HOCKEY!!!   Wink Grin


TRUTH: Removing the page file completely is dangerous since the system needs a certian amount for writing error files when the system crashes. Completely removing it will not make a system any faster. The page file should be set to a STATIC size based on your use and hardware. If you have 1gig or less of memory installed, set this size to 3072-3072 to the WINDOWS boot directory and reboot. If you have 2gig or more installed, set the STATIC size to 1024-1024 on the Windows boot directory and reboot. If you do allot of amateur audio-video editing, leave it at 3072-3072 no matter how much memory is installed. Pros already know what to do.

The only performance increase in moving the page file comes from placing it BY ITSELF on THE FIRST PARTITION of a separate IDE drive or separate RAID ARRAY from the Windows PHYSICAL C:\ HDD and ONLY if that seperate physical drive is equal to or greater than the rated speed of your Windows boot HDD. If you place the page file on the first partition of a separate IDE drive and your Windows system is on a RAID ARRAY, you just killed your page file performance. BEST BET is to leave it on the Windows C:\ directory. The performance gain is negligible unless you are a professional audio-video editor and those people know to put the page file on a separate SCSI drive/channel by itself.

MYTH: Set your system up for a large CACHE if you have 1g of memory or more   Roll Eyes

TRUTH: DO NOT set the system for large cache unless your system is a real-world network server. Leave it optimized for programs. Leave Processor scheduling and Memory Usage set to: PROGRAMS

MYTH: Running your 3D applications or other graphic intense programs on HIGH PRIORITY will make them run faster   Shocked

Who ever came up with that one is a real winner.  Tongue


TRUTH: Removing your single processor motherboard CPU cycles from the video system and other parts of the bus to give it to the 3D.exe application is NOT going to make your 3D game run better... it will actually make it run WORSE. The fact is, if your application is NOT graphics based and is mathematically based, such as SETI@HoME, Prime95 or other crunching programs, you WILL see better performance results by increasing the priority to those types of programs. Although it can be used for single processors the Priority system in Windows was designed for DUAL Processor setups which allows the administrator to better tune the priority of applications to each (or both) CPU's and provide cycles where they are needed most.

MYTH: Using a memory cleaner and cache optimizer such a cacheman or other programs will make your system run faster.   8)


TRUTH: In the years 1995 through 2001 these programs served a purpose. Back then the average system memory was 64-128-256mb and Windows95, 98 and ME (ME was a bit better) were horrible with controlling memory resources. With Windows2000 and XP those memory holes were plugged and if you are using these programs today you are doing nothing but robbing your system of performance, period.

Throw the Windows memory optimizer programs in the garbage and do not install anything that runs in the tray or as a service in the background for optimizing Windows or that defrags the memory.


Get rid of the "end it all" programs. They do not shut ALL the services completely down "globally" no matter what the program tells you it is doing. You dont need them if your system is properly tuned and serviced exactly as I posted above.


If you really want to gear your system for FS9 or games, dont END IT ALL. ... set up a hardware profile: http://www.technobabble.com.au/technobabble/html/gaming/gaming1.htm


...but keep in mind, the ONLY reason you would need to do that is because you have services or hardware that DO cause resource losses to 3D applications.

My system does not require a game hardware profile and runs just as fast on the default profile as it did on an experimental game profile where I shut EVERYTHING down not needed by the system to run FS2004.

Everyones system is different.









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Reply #3 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 11:05pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 


12.      And last, use the program PerfectDisk 7.0 to perform 2 types of defrags. The first is the SMART PLACEMENT defrag. Make sure AGGRESSIVE FREESPACE CONSOLIDATION is enabled for each HDD in the program. Run the SMART PLACEMENT defrag at least 3 times in a row as it will not get everything in order on the first two passes, even if it displays everything is defragmented... run it 3 times! Reboot in between each pass to free the memory. The second type is the OFFLINE defrag. Set PerfectDisk 7.0 to defrag the PAGE AND SYSTEM FILES for all HDD, select OFFLINE DEFRAGMENTATION and reboot for the service to perform on the OS drive. This program should be run again in 7 days as I described above. After that you’re good to go for 30 days or longer depending on how much HDD thrashing and use you do.

13.      Unless you absolutely must have it running for important applications, shut down the Windows Task Scheduler. Control Panel\Scheduled Tasks - Advanced Tool Menu, STOP USING TASK SCHEDULER. This application kills allot of resources and as far as I am concerned I ain't lazy and can boot maintenance programs and updates manually.


Run the above checklist every 30 days and I guarantee your system will remain in top notch performance condition. I highly suggest the software I mention be used because it has never caused problems on my systems and I know for a fact that those programs when used in the order I laid out will provide the ultimate optimization.

No other maintenance programs are needed. There are no registry tweaks out there that can do more for performance than the above list will provide. There is no such thing as a 'holy-grail' of reg hacks and settings with WindowsXP. Tweak programs that suggest reg hacks for performance usually cause more harm than good.

I do however suggest the program XP-ANTISPY, Version 3.94-2 or higher which will provide a set of tweaks that WILL actually work such as increasing your network connections and faster internet surfing along with good security tweaks as well: http://www.xp-antispy.org/


As for restore points... Hmmmmmmm

Let me put it like this... I did not mention it in the MAINTENANCE above but I always SHUT DOWN system restore completely.

I have no need for that resource hog running in the background since I run regular grandfather/father/son backups manually of my critical data. I also make a regular ASR BACKUP (Automaic System Recovery) using Microsoft Backup of ALL my hard drives every 60 days so I can restore any OS drive on my network unattended in 45 minutes and import the critical data backup back into the OS in the event of a catastrophic disaster of ANY TYPE.

I did not mention the method for killing SYSTEM RESTORE because someone who may not be experienced and really needs that running could shut it off.

I will say this... if you are experienced and do not feel you need system restore SHUT IT OFF.

Right click: My Computer, Properties, System Restore Tab, CHECK: TURN OFF SYSTEM RESTORE ON ALL DRIVES

THEN: Go to Administrative Tools\Services and scroll down to: SYSTEM RESTORE SERVICE  

DISABLE THAT SERVICE PERMINANTLY and reboot

ONLY DO THIS IF YOU ARE EXPERIENCED AND HAVE NO NEED FOR THAT SERVICE


It will get rid of the 2nd biggest resource hog Bill Gates ever released   Shocked  WINDOWS was the 1st

The driver rollback system still functions just fine without system restore and can be accessed from SAFE MODE\Device Manager if necessary.






 
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Reply #4 - Oct 1st, 2005 at 11:20pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 
.... UPDATING OR INSTALLING DRIVERS


As Always, shut down any ANTIVIRUS programs prior to making driver updates

When motherboard or video drivers are installed into todays systems there are dependancies that allot of people are not aware of. The best way to make sure you are getting a 100% registered driver installtion is to do the following when updating the motherboard OR the video drivers (either one):


1.
Uninstall all the motherboard drivers, reboot

2.
Uninstall ALL the video drivers, including any video support programs the drivers use such as with ATI the Cat Control Center. Make sure everything that has to do with that video driver is uninstalled and reboot again.

There is a reason for that and I highly recommend both the motherboard drivers AND video drivers be removed when updating EITHER the motherboard OR the video adapter. Upon removal of drivers the OS may install one from its own internal database, which is fine... reboot if Windows instructs you to do so. Once all of the rebooting is completed, continue to the next step. Cancel any "Windows is looking for drivers” boxes and continue on.

Video drivers should NEVER be installed until ALL motherboard drivers have been completely uninstalled/reinstalled and verified.

3.
Install the updated motherboard driver, or if you are only updating the video, reinstall your original motherboard drivers... all of them

Reboot the system and let it sit. Wait for a few minutes after Windows returns to the desktop from a reboot to insure everything installs properly. After waiting for a few minutes cancel any “Windows is looking for drivers” boxes.

4.
Reboot again. Once rebooted to the desktop, again, cancel any Windows is looking for drivers” boxes and continue on.

Rebooting twice after motherboard drivers are installed insures they will register correctly to the system.

5. NEXT, install/update the video drivers.

Even if you are only updating video drivers and not updating the motherboard drivers you MUST ALWAYS uninstall the Motherboard driver first using uninstaller from add and remove programs.



Sounds like allot... well, I have see the results and it assures the drivers will indeed install and function correctly. I have also seen the negative results of not using that method. Trust me, its worth the extra time.


With ATI I really like the latest CAT release and I have never found a single hacked driver version that produced any results that were worth installing the drivers on my Radon 9800pro card. I cannot vouch for Nvidia since I do not own a Nvidia video card.

If you use the ATI Media Center, be SURE to get the latest Media Center software and install it PRIOR to the ATI video driver installation.

Finally,
Visit all the websites for your hardware and in the support sections, confirm there are no driver or firmware updates available for your products.

IMPORTANT: Check the device manager to see if there are any devices that have not been installed or are labeled as not working properly. Resolve any uninstalled or non functioning hardware issues before proceeding.

It is not a bad idea to check for updates for the software you use and install it at this time. If you use MS Office products, be sure to go to Office Update and install all the updates for your MS Office products. Like Windows Update return to Office Update after any reboots and verify ALL updates were installed.




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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 3:47am

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Not a bad tweaking guide, however, its not that good either!!!

For example,

It refers to turning off the "page file" if you have 1 to 2 GB RAM. I would STRONGLY advise anybody running Battlefield 2 to NOT do this, BF2 will not like no "Page file" on a 1GB System I assure you!

Also, theres a fair  few "Myths" in there that I know from experience are far from "Mythical" at all..... - The CPU Priority tweak for a start, this is the only way (despite my specs) I can get older games such as Toca Race Driver to run without stutters....

For my money, the best Windows  security & optimisation guides can be found here....



Baddass' Guide to Windows Performance, Optimization and Tweaking

Ivers Guide to keeping your system secure and safe.

Enjoy! -  Theres alot to read!

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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 11:07am
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Not a bad tweaking guide, however, its not that good either!!!

For example,

It refers to turning off the "page file" if you have 1 to 2 GB RAM. I would STRONGLY advise anybody running Battlefield 2 to NOT do this, BF2 will not like no "Page file" on a 1GB System I assure you!


The CPU Priority tweak for a start, this is the only way (despite my specs) I can get older games such as Toca Race Driver to run without stutters....

Wink


You did not read my post correctly.... It says turning the page file off is a MYTH

And whatever melts your butter when it comes to CPU priority changes on a single CPU system. Most of them have nothing but a placebo effect on a 3D based programs unless the program being boosted is mathematically based such as Seti@home. I will explain why… Let’s assume boosting the CPU priority has a positive effect on the performance of a 3D game in System A and a negative effect on System B. Both systems have the same hardware but System A has not received proper maintenance, as laid out above, on a regular basis or been properly set up for unified performance... where System B, has. I’ll bet $1000.00 dollars it is because there is something in System A that is incorrectly set up, improper driver configuration or registration, spyware or a service running that created a PLACEBO boost in performance by robbing the spyware, enabled service or other background issue such as a driver loop, of CPU cycles and giving it to the game. Therefore, if your system is correctly maintained, boosting CPU cycles will tend to lower overall performance of a 3D game such as Flight Simulator because of the global resources that 3D application requires. FS requires CPU cycles be properly distributed for smooth operation. If it truly raises the perfromance, there is something wrong and Ill bet another 1000 dollars if you correct the real problem, FS will run even faster and smoother than you ever saw it perform on your system.


Your judging the system by what you BELIEVE is the best performance, not what it is truly capable of doing.... That is the Placebo Effect ... and that is what services such as FS-GS (which I dont need and have never used) teaches people how to overcome. Even highly experienced IT techs dont completely comprehend a completely and correctly unified system.

Most people, including allot of good techs, believe shutting down a WindowsXp Service from the services menu (Automatic, Manual, Disabled) shuts a service completely down. Or using an “end it all” program shuts it all down. HORSE HOCKEY! You must use the LOGON tab in the properties of the service to disable a service GLOBALLY for the hardware profile being booted. That is why is it better to create a hardware profile “virtual machine” which GLOBALLY shuts the services and un-needed hardware from the device manager down automatically on boot to the game hardware profile.

Here is another good one… most of the gaming sites list: DCOM as a service that you can shut down for games. The truth is, if you use the latest ATI CAT drivers, shutting that service down in your hardware profile removes the needed ATI driver initialization from the boot.. guess what, you not only killed the video quality but 3D acceleration features as well.

Unless a user is a pro, Internet sites for performance boosts are dangerous as far as I am concerned.



I am not an amateur computer/electronics technician. You may review the entire thread where I originally posted the above information here: http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=86999

That thread is used as a guide source for the MSI motherboard site listed as:
K7N2 Delta2 Platinum BIOS Tests… solved intermittant reboot issues located here:
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=76954


...and the results speak for themselves:

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Well Klondike, you'll be happy to hear that I've just finished performing your suggested tweaks to my computer.  I followed your instructions very closely.  The only thing I had to deviate from was Registry Mechanic's "Compact the Registry" feature, as it is disabled in the freebie version.  So I instead used the freeware program "NTREGOPT" which compacted my registry by 16% (or so it reported).  And I also used WinASO Registry Optimizer and  additionally CCleaner so as to properly clean up all the "issues" (outdated registry entries etc) that "Registry Mechanic" left behind (because it being crippleware).  

I used Bootvis (first time I ever have).... what a great program!!!  Thanks for that tip!  After using Bootvis, my boot times improved greatly.  Also used Perfect Disk, and followed your instructions to a "T".  Worked great.  I also used PCI Latency Tool... so my vid card is now 32 latency.

Drivers--now all updated.  

I really notice an improvement in the performance of my computer.  
Essentially you turned my Corvette into a Ferrari.  
:worship:

As for the heatsinks.. that is next on my list of things to do.  but for now I think I need a bit of sleep:  :sleep:

Thanks again Klondike!  Your excellent guidance is most appreciated!  



For many years I was also the lead Asus motherboard technician for AMDmb.com, now known as PC Perspective.



good luck



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Reply #7 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 2:18am

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Nick N., very informative!

I did all the steps but I am having trouble with Step #2 which is the video card latency.

On my Dell Inspiron 5150,  it shows up as NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 and the Latency is 248.

I tried to set it to 32 in the PCI Latency Tool v2.7 and clicked 'settings' then 'save' then 'Apply on Startup'

I restarted and it went back to 248 Latency!  I did the same thing over again with the same results.


On my other computer which is a custom built from this spring.

It has a Asus P5AD2-E Premium motherboard with 3.2 GHz Intel pentium 4 LGA775 socket processor and it also has a NVIDIA GeForce 6800Ultra Overclocked Edition (it shows that on the package box)

and I loaded the PCI Latency Tool v2.7 on it and opened it up, to my suprise, I don't find my video card in it! Nothing in reference to the video card, it's all motherboard cards such as the IEE394, intel processor...etc but no NVIDIA or any mention of a video card in it!

That's the only trouble I'm having.
 

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Reply #8 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 9:11pm
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Nick N., very informative!

I did all the steps but I am having trouble with Step #2 which is the video card latency.

On my Dell Inspiron 5150,  it shows up as NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 and the Latency is 248.

I tried to set it to 32 in the PCI Latency Tool v2.7 and clicked 'settings' then 'save' then 'Apply on Startup'

I restarted and it went back to 248 Latency!  I did the same thing over again with the same results.


On my other computer which is a custom built from this spring.

It has a Asus P5AD2-E Premium motherboard with 3.2 GHz Intel pentium 4 LGA775 socket processor and it also has a NVIDIA GeForce 6800Ultra Overclocked Edition (it shows that on the package box)

and I loaded the PCI Latency Tool v2.7 on it and opened it up, to my suprise, I don't find my video card in it! Nothing in reference to the video card, it's all motherboard cards such as the IEE394, intel processor...etc but no NVIDIA or any mention of a video card in it!

That's the only trouble I'm having.


I have never had any problems with the version I am using which is v1.02 although in googleing the issue there was someone else that posted the same issue about v2.7.

I assume you had it set to: APPLY ON STARTUP ?

Right click the video adapter line in v2.7 and select: Quickset Latency

Does it change?


 
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Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 9:19pm

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I have never had any problems with the version I am using which is v1.02 although in googleing the issue there was someone else that posted the same issue about v2.7.

I assume you had it set to: APPLY ON STARTUP ?

Right click the video adapter line in v2.7 and select: Quickset Latency

Does it change?




Done all that and it still goes back to 248 on the next restart.  It doesn't permently stay at 32 like I tried to set it to.
 

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Reply #10 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 10:43pm
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Done all that and it still goes back to 248 on the next restart.  It doesn't permently stay at 32 like I tried to set it to.



I hate to say it but out of all the tray tool programs, ATITool has the least effect on a system and it does have an option to change the latency...

http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

see if that helps


I am assuming you are trying to smooth graphics out a bit. Dropping the latency does not speed anything up in the way of frames (22FPS will still be 22FPS), but in most cases will make the same frame rate smooth instead of jittery.

 
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Reply #11 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 1:43am

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I hate to say it but out of all the tray tool programs, ATITool has the least effect on a system and it does have an option to change the latency...

http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/

see if that helps


I am assuming you are trying to smooth graphics out a bit. Dropping the latency does not speed anything up in the way of frames (22FPS will still be 22FPS), but in most cases will make the same frame rate smooth instead of jittery.



I have NVIDIA, not a ATI.  I installed that and ran it, it won't let me change any settings because I do not have a ATI card installed.

I even donwloaded PCI Latency 1.02v and tried it, same results.

What could be the problem?

Also why isn't my other comp's video card showing up on the PCI Latency program?
 

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Reply #12 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 1:10pm
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I have NVIDIA, not a ATI.  I installed that and ran it, it won't let me change any settings because I do not have a ATI card installed.

I even donwloaded PCI Latency 1.02v and tried it, same results.

What could be the problem?

Also why isn't my other comp's video card showing up on the PCI Latency program?



Oppppsssss

he he he... I type too fast some times.

Try the program POWERSTRIP as it should have a universal latency set tool

I do not know why your other system does not display the latency configuration for the AGP and card bus

I know PCI Xpress will not, nor will it allow latency changes
 
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Reply #13 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 9:28am

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You can also download nlite and tweak most parameters onto a custom windows install CD, so when you load your op sys, it's ready to rock! It also integrates service packs, MS updates and drivers into your WinXP install disk for a clean, one step installation of windows with no backup files and so much more, err, I mean less   Smiley.
 

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Reply #14 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 11:43am

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Nick, you seem to know quite a bit about system maintenance, thanks for all the suggestions.  I have been having lots of FS errors reporting involving the ntdll.dll.  I uninstalled my sim, completely cleaned the system, reinstalled and after a few hours the errors returned.  I dont know much about the ntdll, can I pull it off the install disk and replace the current one?  Wil this cause major problems within the system?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Todd

System specs: Pent 4 2.6 ghz with 800 FSB
Soyo Dragon plus 2 Mother board
1 gig 3200 Ram
ATI 9600 Pro 128 using Cat 5.10
2, 80 gig Maxtor HD with 8mb buffer
Win XP SP 2
FS is run on D drive and is only program on there.
 
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