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Sep 24^th, 2005 at 4:11pm

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Well, I just pre-ordered one and I think I may have to give up eating and live out of my car for a couple of months, but it will be worth it for Halo 3 and Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.

Anyone else ordered one yet?

Just wondering, Grin

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Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2005 at 4:17pm

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Nope not wasting the money. Gonna wait for the PS3, sick of being screwed by bill gates, and the ps3 has better specs.

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Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2005 at 5:16pm

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No matter how good consoles will be, they won't be a match for PCs.

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Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2005 at 5:18pm

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However i cant afford the cost of a PC and the ever nessicary upgrades as games get better. With a console you get almost identical graphics or certainly will with the X-box 360 and PS3(why they are so expensive) And you dont have to worry 99% of the time if it will run properly. No stuttering and crashes are rare.

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Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2005 at 5:31pm

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If you only have little knowledge about computers, a console is better indeed. But most of the incompatibilities concerning games can be solved by the user him/herself.

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Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 4:50am

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The gfx of computer will kill those of the consoles. Keep in mind the consoles are being released in the future (they're not out now) and are being compared to present day hardware. When those consoles come out, PC's will have or soon will have much much better hardware.

BTW, the video card in the PS3 is a modified 7800, which I (and several others here) ALREADY have.

BTW, the xbox 360 is probably going to be the sweet spot. The PS3 is going to be too expensive. It inculdes a blu-ray player. A stand-alone blu-ray player costs about 500 bucks. Plus, its not that much more powerful than the xbox 360. Don't be tricked by the number of core its CPU has, the Ps3 overall processing power isn't more than the average PC. In addition, programming for it will be hard, a huge turnoff for developers (anyone remember the N64). Its a new CPU with a new instruction set. Xbox 360 uses IBM Power CPU's which already have a stable development following (being the CPU of choice for macs).

I'm not saying the PS3 will be bad, I'm saying it might not live up to its hype. Still though, I'm planning getting it (I need blu-ray).

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Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 5:06am

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If you only have little knowledge about computers, a console is better indeed. But most of the incompatibilities concerning games can be solved by the user him/herself.

I have a degree in PC repair and maintenance and I would still have to agree that gaming on consoles is a whole lot less frustrating, stick the disc in and play, you don't have to worry about all the intricacies that are involved with PC's, like spending a weekend trying to figure out what is causing lock-ups or why the sound is cutting out or why the game suddenly exits for no reason and sends you back to the desktop.

I also have to agree there is a much more interesting variety of games for the PC.

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No matter how good consoles will be, they won't be a match for PCs.

Actually, the next gen gaming systyems are going to be more powerful than any PC available at the time of their release, they will be sporting 3 processors and the video cards from both ATI and NVidia have been specially built for the consoles and pack more punch than anything on the market for PC's.

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Gonna wait for the PS3, sick of being screwed by bill gates, and the ps3 has better specs.

Hasn't anybody seen the way Sony operates besides me? Think about the PS2 and the PSP after they were first released, there were tons of problems that Sony admits to knowing about but shrugs their shoulders at the customer, I always like to say that when Sony claims they sold 6 million PS2's, it was only to 2 million customers, I don't know how far off base this actually is considering that within the first year after release pretty much everyone I know was on their second PS2, between me and my brother we have owned 6, the newer versions seem to be better.
We are both still using our original Xbox's, and I don't think Bill Gates is screwing anyone, if you don't like microsoft products buy a Mac. If anyone is screwing people on a regular basis and even more so now, it's EA sports.

As far as the PS3 having better specs that the 360, it's really not something you will even notice, both of these machines are going to be super powerful and have awesome graphic capabilities, but it won't matter as much unless you have HDTV.

Well, I'm not going to pre-order either system, although I am quite sure I will eventually own both, I think it all comes down to which system has the games you want to play most if you are only going to buy one of the systems, don't forget that games are going to cost $60.00 USD.
If you like online gaming Xbox live is the best, Sony never really got their online thing together, same with the hard drive, it just makes me wonder if it is going to be the same this time, Sony has already started dropping features from the PS3 to bring the price in line with the 360, and have you seen that retarded controller? I guess it's designed to come back to you like a boomerang when you get pissed off and throw it.

The bottom line is the choice of consoles or PC's is a matter of preference, I like them all so I just play what I want on whichever system a certain game comes out for, if I have the choice I will buy a game for Xbox because I like saving on the hard drive and I prefer the graphics of the Xbox.

Each to their own.

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Keep in mind the consoles are being released in the future (they're not out now) and are being compared to present day hardware. When those consoles come out, PC's will have or soon will have much much better hardware.

This is a good point, you are stuck with the specs of a console for like 5 years, in the meantime PC components will continue to be upgraded, once they make consoles upgradable by the consumer all you will basically have is a computer hooked up to your TV. (Technically that is already what a console is anyway.)

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Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 8:07am

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The PS3 is going to be too expensive.

Actually, its not going to be. They plan on making a loss on the first two years, and make the profit on the following. Sony predicted a £200 starting price.

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Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 10:16am

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If anyone is screwing people on a regular basis and even more so now, it's EA sports.

I agree totally on this statement. They couldn't beat the 2k series even on the Dreamcast so they bought out the NFL so VC couldn't make another NFL football game. Same is true for Nascar. They could never beat Papy on the PC so they bought Nascar out and they produce a "SIM" racing game that even 2 years after NR2003 still can't beat it.

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Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 10:30am

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I wont argue that one company ownership is wrong, crappy f1 games are a result much like madden.

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Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 12:45pm

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I wont argue that one company ownership is wrong, crappy f1 games are a result much like madden.

I was real lucky about 6 months ago. I walked into a Circuit City and on the shelf in a tathered unopened box was Grand Prix 4 for $9.99. I grabbed that real quick.

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Reply #11 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 4:43pm

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Actually, the next gen gaming systyems are going to be more powerful than any PC available at the time of their release, they will be sporting 3 processors and the video cards from both ATI and NVidia have been specially built for the consoles and pack more punch than anything on the market for PC's.

Actually, all these consoles only have ONE processor. Its just that the xbox CPU has 3 cores in it. The sony one has 8 cores in it (including the SPE). However, these CPU's are highly specialized and so are only powerful when it comes to a certain field. Should you attempt to use these in an PC, you'll see that these CPU's would lag behind a pentium 3. The Ps3's cell processor has 8 yes, but 6 of them are very special and are limited to certain functions (one of thme is disabled also). Should you run a PC program on it, at most only 2 or 3 cores would be used and these 2 or 3 cores cannot match the performence of a much faster single/dual core intel/AMD. (If you want more info on the cell, read this article, here)

The video cards in these consoles are modified versians of upcoming video cards for the PC. The ps3 is sporting an overclocked variant of the 7800 GTX with more memory added. The xbox will be using a variant of the r520 slated for release next year by ATI. So, yes, currently, these consoles are better than PC's graphic power-wise, but that will soon change as these cards become available for the PC. Plus, none of these console will support SLI/Crossfire, which already limits them in terms of graphical performence when compared to the PC.

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Actually, its not going to be. They plan on making a loss on the first two years, and make the profit on the following. Sony predicted a £200 starting price.

Wow, thats a HUGE loss. Considering a blu-ray player alone will go for that much (the ps3 will double as a blu-ray player).

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Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 7:39pm

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I see what you're saying autopilot, all the components for the new consoles are specifically designed for running games, therefore I guess they are the best at what they are meant to do but would fall short if forced to deal with the mega-multitasking that computers are forced to deal with everyday.

Thanks for the info and clearing that up.

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Reply #13 - Sep 25^th, 2005 at 7:46pm

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but this is the point. If i want multi tasking and hard work i go with the pc. If i want simple no setup required fun i go with a console. I am on my second PS2 but only because i dropped my first, and i have had no problems at all with my PSP. Ok it isn't that old but so far so good.

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Reply #14 - Sep 26^th, 2005 at 1:26am

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but this is the point. If i want multi tasking and hard work i go with the pc. If i want simple no setup required fun i go with a console. I am on my second PS2 but only because i dropped my first, and i have had no problems at all with my PSP. Ok it isn't that old but so far so good.

I was just clarifying on what he said that consoles are more powerful than PC's. Your right though, the average joe is going to prefer a console with no hassle 'instant-on' gaming.

In fact, I prefer it too. Proud owner of the new slim PS2. I only have 2 games for it though (Final Fantasy X and X-2...best RPG's ever.)

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Reply #15 - Sep 26^th, 2005 at 4:02am

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i have had no problems at all with my PSP. Ok it isn't that old but so far so good.

You had better hope you don't have any problems with it, from what I read Sony doesn't cover any of the known issues in their warranty.

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Reply #16 - Sep 26^th, 2005 at 5:28am

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You had better hope you don't have any problems with it, from what I read Sony doesn't cover any of the known issues in their warranty.

Also an import one so getting money back would be tough too. Cheesy

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Reply #17 - Sep 26^th, 2005 at 8:07pm

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i have had no problems at all with my PSP. Ok it isn't that old but so far so good.

Your pretty lucky then. From what I've read, the PSP had some serious issues with the screen coming with many dead pixels.

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Reply #18 - Sep 26^th, 2005 at 9:28pm

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The video cards in these consoles are modified versians of upcoming video cards for the PC. The ps3 is sporting an overclocked variant of the 7800 GTX with more memory added. The xbox will be using a variant of the r520 slated for release next year by ATI. So, yes, currently, these consoles are better than PC's graphic power-wise, but that will soon change as these cards become available for the PC. Plus, none of these console will support SLI/Crossfire, which already limits them in terms of graphical performence when compared to the PC.

Consoles will still be able to play games better. When a developer creates a game for PC they have to make sure it will be playable on the low end of the spectrum, or lowest common denomitator. While a developer who designs a game for a console can concentrate on one engine and can bring out all the stops. That is why Halo played and looked better on the Xbox then a PC. Look at Halo,GT4, Fable these games look and play great.

Here is a shot of GT4 playing on a console which was released 5 years ago.

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/489/489327/img_2501022.html

And Halo2

http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/482/482228/img_2453011.html

A developer can optomize for one type of graphic card creating shadows and refelctions that look great for that card, while for a PC have they have to create it for a wide list of card each with different capabilities.

I personnaly love my XBox and NFL2k5. I love the fact that they use the built in HD to not only show replays of the great plays of the game I played but other games throughout the league during the ESPN halftime show. I even had them go to a game in progress after my game was done to show the conclusion of that game since it was tied up with less then 3 min to go in the game, just like they do on real TV.

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Reply #19 - Sep 27^th, 2005 at 8:42pm

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Consoles will still be able to play games better.

Thats an opinion, not a fact.
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When a developer creates a game for PC they have to make sure it will be playable on the low end of the spectrum, or lowest common denomitator.

That depends on the developer. The Unreal engine 3 did not compromise. And in games like doom 3 and half life 2, the engine simply rendered with the highest quality gfx card available. Doom 3 in high gfx mode is breathtaking, with much better gfx than any console game including halo 2, but doom3 will still run on a geforce 4 MX. Just because it can adapt to lower qualities does not in any way compromise its highest quality. The same goes for Half Life 2, its run in dx7 mode, but look crappy; with the correct hardware, it will run in dx9 mode and the results are beautiful, again better than any console game today.

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While a developer who designs a game for a console can concentrate on one engine and can bring out all the stops. That is why Halo played and looked better on the Xbox then a PC. Look at Halo,GT4, Fable these games look and play great.

Yes, thats cause its been ported from the console to the PC and BTW, halo for the PC was the worst game port ever, it was a horrible port (great gameplay and sotry though). Check out games like half life 2 and doom 3 which have been ported to consoles, they look much much better on the PC. It works both ways.

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Reply #20 - Oct 2^nd, 2005 at 2:50am

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I only have a PS2 and I am happy with that....and my computer however bad it maybe compared to you all, I am still happy with it.....I am very self-sufficient Lips Sealed

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Reply #21 - Oct 6^th, 2005 at 7:23pm

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Go here and click on some screenshots of Oblivion on the 360.

http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

Morrowind sucked the life out of me, this looks even more in depth. The 20 min in- game video is awesome and it's from the 360.

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