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Sep 21st, 2005 at 8:20pm

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CNN has live video of a Jet Blue a320 having landing gear problems at LGB.
 
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Reply #1 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:05pm

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Watching now.  Doesn't look like the gear is locked into position.  Obviously it's twisted as well. 

I love listening to all the 'experts' they're interviewing. Smiley

Naturally, I hope they land safely.  Aviation sure has been in the lime light lately.
 
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Reply #2 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:06pm

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I believe they are planning for a landing at KLAX since it has a longer runway.

Just saw this too about 40 minutes ago.. Wink

For those who don't get CNN the nose gear on the jet blue flight 292 is turned 90 degree clockwise.. Wink

Main gear is fine....they were loaded to go to New York from I believe Burbank earlier this afternoon.

For some reason airbus didn't put a fuel dump valve on this particular version of the 320 and they have been forced to circle around to burn it off....
 
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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:06pm

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Reply #4 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:06pm

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Me too.
It will bel anding live with a "cocked" front wheel assmbly.

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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:26pm

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What could a guy ask for besides such a nice landing?

Pretty much kept her on the centerline the whole way.. Smiley

Very well done, everyone safe as always.. Smiley
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:26pm

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THEY MADE IT!!!



SUCH A SMOOTH LANDING TOO!!




Hats off to the flight crew as well as other personel!!!



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Reply #7 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:29pm

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Perfect landing.
 
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Reply #8 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:30pm

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Amazing!

Finally,..
some good news about a possible tragedy.

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Reply #9 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:32pm

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Why did they not get everyone out in 30 secs and away from a potential danger  ???............no cooling spray was administered to the front gear upon arrival by the fire suppression vehicles  ???.......I really expected to see the chutes deploy and have all occupants depart in a very hasty manner  ???..........especially in light of the burn which occured recently at YYZ  ???............Airbus vehicle in that episode too.......... ???

To my way of thinking, a very basic safety issue .........this was, after all, an emergency landing ....... ???
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:38pm

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Why did they not get everyone out in 30 secs and away from a potential danger  ???............no cooling spray was administered to the front gear upon arrival by the fire suppression vehicles  ???.......I really expected to see the chutes deploy and have all occupants depart in a very hasty manner  ???..........especially in light of the burn which occured recently at YYZ  ???............Airbus vehicle in that episode too.......... ???

To my way of thinking, a very basic safety issue .........this was, after all, an emergency landing ....... ???


-In case you didn't know, the emergency slides aren't exactly safe.  People do get hurt using them.  My guess is the flight crew and ground personel made a judgement not to use them and just use stairs instead.

-There wasn't any fire on the nose gear, so there problably isn't any reason to apply any suppressant anywhere.  (They essentialy made a normal landing)

-Try not to confuse this incident with the Air France accident.  The accident in Toronto was a result of over-running the runway.  This incident is....welll......completely different.



Not flaming......just saying Smiley
 
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Reply #11 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 9:41pm

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What runway did they land on.  Anyone know??

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Reply #12 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 10:05pm

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Reply #13 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 10:58pm

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i have a new found respect for airbus, that's some beefty gear strut Shocked Shocked Shocked

i really thought it would have collapsed, specially when the whole thing turned into a fireball Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


that was some flight crew the had there, truly amazing to watch how they eased the nose wheel onto the runway

hats off, indeed


Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

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-There wasn't any fire on the nose gear, so there problably isn't any reason to apply any suppressant anywhere.  (They essentialy made a normal landing)

Okay, having watched the video numerous times now, and watching it live and seeing it unfold over the hours it took from when it was started to be Broadcasted to when the thing landed, I've noticed a few key points.

-One, for a Gear malfunction, this wasn't as bad as it could've been.  Let's say the gear were at a 45 degree angle as opposed to 90, that would have been disastrous in trying to keep the plane straight

-Two, after watching the flames on the wheels and what affected them, I've found that when the plane actually touched the nose down, the nose was a few yards to the left of centerline.  When the plane drifted off to the right, when the front gear hit paint, that's when the flames erupted.  I figured that the flames were just caused because the tires had worn completely down and the plane was on aluminum.  BUT, having watched it again, I noticed that everytime the tires went over the centerline, the flames grew, then went down, then grew, then went down, as the plane hit each line.  Is this known that the paint will do that?  Just a thought.

-And third, having watching the video countless times already, I've noticed one thing else, the pilot had control of the rudder on the ground.  Once the plane touched down, it was left of the centerline, then it drifted right, past the center, or nearly there, and then ended up on the other side, it certainly looked as if he had control.

After all, this was a nerve-racking event, but it was somewhat over-hyped, of course, having the main news stations notifyed about the plane live was a deterrent, but it's still getting a lot of coverage.  The pilot made a great landing, and couldn't have set the plane down softer.  No one was killed and that's what's important  Wink.

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Reply #15 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 11:59pm
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interesting stuff. kudos to the pilots, they made a nice landing.

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Reply #16 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 1:41am

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I just watched the video onhe BBC. Shocked  Stunning.
I'm so glad everyone made it out ok. 8)
 

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Reply #17 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 7:37am

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-There wasn't any fire on the nose gear, so there problably isn't any reason to apply any suppressant anywhere.  (They essentialy made a normal landing)


All the more reason to apply suppressant - thats going to be several very hot pieces of metal in that landing gear, which will be operated using very flammable hydraulic fluid...
 
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Reply #18 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 8:59am

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They aired a radio interview with a guy that was on the plane... where he was watching CNN to see the plane he flew on on the news
 

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Reply #19 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 9:34am

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I saw an interview on Good Morning America today with some of the passengers. They said they were watching the event live on TV as it happened, I'll bet that was a weird feeling. I'm glad everyone was OK, and even more happy that they didn't do the standard stupid passenger thing and blame the pilot. All those that were interviewed thanked the pilot and crew.
 

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Reply #20 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 9:46am

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Indeed!
How amazing, technology has really advanced and it suddenly dawns on you when you read that. 8)
 

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Reply #21 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 10:24am

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The problem with fire suppressant is that it makes the runway slick - leaving less control. As for not for putting a hose on the gear, there was no reason to - no fire, no water.  Emergency escape slides are notoriously dangerous - people have slid right off the side, remember how high these jets sit - hitting your ass on concrete after a 15 foot fall..... Believe me, it ain't fun. A fall like that can snap your spinal column. 


And, in my opinion - that pilot deserves a raise.
 

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Reply #22 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:12pm
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Yes the crew deserve a well done, not just the Captain.

That particular model of the Airbus does not require the capability to dump fuel as it can land with an all up fuel load.

The aircraft remained in the air for several reasons, not to just burn off some fuel as the reporters said BUT to give the pilots time to work out a solution. 

It also gave the engineers time to speak with the pilots and to help with a solution.

Landing gear amongst other failures are practiced and drilled over and over and over in simulators. 

I do not believe the passengers watched their landing on monitors as standard procedure would be to turn off all non essential electrical equipment and they would be required to give their full attention to the back end crew. 

The pilots would have used controlled braking and engine power to control the aircraft and held the nose off as long as possible.

All in all a well executed controlled crash landing Wink

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Reply #23 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:33pm

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i just saw that now gd landing. its strange how there were bno plane accidents but recently there's loads.
 
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Reply #24 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:35pm

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All the more reason to apply suppressant - thats going to be several very hot pieces of metal in that landing gear, which will be operated using very flammable hydraulic fluid...


they obviously didnt need to apply suppresent or they would have done.
 
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Reply #25 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 2:17pm

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And, in my opinion - that pilot deserves a raise.

May I correct you...ALL pilots deserve a raise.
 
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Reply #26 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 2:45pm

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i just saw that now gd landing. its strange how there were bno plane accidents but recently there's loads.

Mmm.. we've been over this.  There has been NO increase in aviation incidents, just an increase in their media coverage Wink
 
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Reply #27 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 2:57pm

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When the plane drifted off to the right, when the front gear hit paint, that's when the flames erupted.  I figured that the flames were just caused because the tires had worn completely down and the plane was on aluminum.

I haven't watched the vid so don't know if the tyres were burned through or ripped off as I would imagine. I don't know how bad the fire was either. Most aircraft wheels are manufactured from magnesium alloy. Anyone seeing a magnesium fire will know that it's very difficult, if not impossible to extinguish as, once ignited, magnesium will burn even underwater.

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I've always wondered why anything is made out of magnesium, given its volitile nature. Is it stronger than aluminum?
 

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Magnesium is much lighter for its strength than any comparable material. That's the reason it's commonly used for aircraft components. I don't know if it's the same now but most passenger seats frames were constructed of magnesium alloy. That gives you something to think about. Mind you, it's not easy to ignite but once alight it's very difficult to extinguish.
 

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I've used magnesium fire starters before, It is almost impossible to ignite it unless it's in very small pieces like a dust. That is exactly what happens when a wheel rim is ground into the runway, but I guess that probably doesn't happen that often.
 

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What I find diffucult to understand is that the passengers were watching their predicament & possible fate discussed by so-called 'experts' on live TV right up till a few minutes before landing. This was transmitted direct to their monitors via the aircraft's own entertainment system. If that's not liable to cause panic I don't know what is. Roll Eyes

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Reply #32 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 4:22pm

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Amazing landing. Much respect to the pilot and crew, and the ground engineers.

Has anyone got a link to a vid of it? I saw it on the news and wonder if I can find it again?
 

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The service manager at my company has a brother that
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What I find diffucult to understand is that the passengers were watching their predicament & possible fate discussed by so-called 'experts' on live TV right up till a few minutes before landing. This was transmitted direct to their monitors via the aircraft's own entertainment system. If that's not liable to cause panic I don't know what is. Roll Eyes

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20050922-1049-ca-airlineremergency.html



Well... yes and no. Seeing what's going on might help reassure some folks (I'd appreciate it!!!)... but now that I think about it, the on-air commentary wouldn't help... they always act terribly concerned, but there's also the air of vultures waiting for something to stop kicking... Tongue
On the bright side: There was full coverage of a malfunction that was dealt with cooly and professionally, with everything turning out OK. That's something to smile about.
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I believe they are planning for a landing at KLAX since it has a longer runway.

Just saw this too about 40 minutes ago.. Wink

For those who don't get CNN the nose gear on the jet blue flight 292 is turned 90 degree clockwise.. Wink

Main gear is fine....they were loaded to go to New York from I believe Burbank earlier this afternoon.

For some reason airbus didn't put a fuel dump valve on this particular version of the 320 and they have been forced to circle around to burn it off....



Not true;

They dumped most of their fuel into the ocean. They kept enough fuel to circle around.

Kudos to that pilot, though. Great landing. Stayed on the center line the entire time.
 

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Not true;
They dumped most of their fuel into the ocean. They kept enough fuel to circle around. 


Not True!

As Doug "Flying Trucker" said,
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and he is a pilot!  Wink
And from a illustrated map where the aircraft flew during those 3 hours, I don't think it ever even went over any ocean!  Roll Eyes

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They just wanted to BURN the fuel, not dumping.
I dont even think the A320 can dump fuel since it's MTOW and MLW arent that far apart, compared to a 747, for example.

The Boeing 737 cant dump fuel aswell.
 
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i think my mom knew the pilots, they used to work for her flying a 767, so an A320 is a little less difficult to fly Tongue they're used to the monsters. lol
 

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Has anyone got a link to a vid of it? I saw it on the news and wonder if I can find it again?


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