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JetBlue have landing problems on TV. (Read 1056 times)
Reply #15 - Sep 21st, 2005 at 11:59pm
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interesting stuff. kudos to the pilots, they made a nice landing.

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Reply #16 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 1:41am

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I just watched the video onhe BBC. Shocked  Stunning.
I'm so glad everyone made it out ok. 8)
 

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Reply #17 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 7:37am

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-There wasn't any fire on the nose gear, so there problably isn't any reason to apply any suppressant anywhere.  (They essentialy made a normal landing)


All the more reason to apply suppressant - thats going to be several very hot pieces of metal in that landing gear, which will be operated using very flammable hydraulic fluid...
 
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Reply #18 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 8:59am

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They aired a radio interview with a guy that was on the plane... where he was watching CNN to see the plane he flew on on the news
 

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Reply #19 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 9:34am

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I saw an interview on Good Morning America today with some of the passengers. They said they were watching the event live on TV as it happened, I'll bet that was a weird feeling. I'm glad everyone was OK, and even more happy that they didn't do the standard stupid passenger thing and blame the pilot. All those that were interviewed thanked the pilot and crew.
 

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Reply #20 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 9:46am

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Indeed!
How amazing, technology has really advanced and it suddenly dawns on you when you read that. 8)
 

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Reply #21 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 10:24am

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The problem with fire suppressant is that it makes the runway slick - leaving less control. As for not for putting a hose on the gear, there was no reason to - no fire, no water.  Emergency escape slides are notoriously dangerous - people have slid right off the side, remember how high these jets sit - hitting your ass on concrete after a 15 foot fall..... Believe me, it ain't fun. A fall like that can snap your spinal column. 


And, in my opinion - that pilot deserves a raise.
 

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Reply #22 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:12pm
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Yes the crew deserve a well done, not just the Captain.

That particular model of the Airbus does not require the capability to dump fuel as it can land with an all up fuel load.

The aircraft remained in the air for several reasons, not to just burn off some fuel as the reporters said BUT to give the pilots time to work out a solution. 

It also gave the engineers time to speak with the pilots and to help with a solution.

Landing gear amongst other failures are practiced and drilled over and over and over in simulators. 

I do not believe the passengers watched their landing on monitors as standard procedure would be to turn off all non essential electrical equipment and they would be required to give their full attention to the back end crew. 

The pilots would have used controlled braking and engine power to control the aircraft and held the nose off as long as possible.

All in all a well executed controlled crash landing Wink

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Reply #23 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:33pm

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i just saw that now gd landing. its strange how there were bno plane accidents but recently there's loads.
 
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Reply #24 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 12:35pm

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All the more reason to apply suppressant - thats going to be several very hot pieces of metal in that landing gear, which will be operated using very flammable hydraulic fluid...


they obviously didnt need to apply suppresent or they would have done.
 
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Reply #25 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 2:17pm

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And, in my opinion - that pilot deserves a raise.

May I correct you...ALL pilots deserve a raise.
 
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Reply #26 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 2:45pm

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i just saw that now gd landing. its strange how there were bno plane accidents but recently there's loads.

Mmm.. we've been over this.  There has been NO increase in aviation incidents, just an increase in their media coverage Wink
 
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Reply #27 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 2:57pm

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When the plane drifted off to the right, when the front gear hit paint, that's when the flames erupted.  I figured that the flames were just caused because the tires had worn completely down and the plane was on aluminum.

I haven't watched the vid so don't know if the tyres were burned through or ripped off as I would imagine. I don't know how bad the fire was either. Most aircraft wheels are manufactured from magnesium alloy. Anyone seeing a magnesium fire will know that it's very difficult, if not impossible to extinguish as, once ignited, magnesium will burn even underwater.

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Reply #28 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 3:12pm

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I've always wondered why anything is made out of magnesium, given its volitile nature. Is it stronger than aluminum?
 

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Reply #29 - Sep 22nd, 2005 at 3:25pm

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Magnesium is much lighter for its strength than any comparable material. That's the reason it's commonly used for aircraft components. I don't know if it's the same now but most passenger seats frames were constructed of magnesium alloy. That gives you something to think about. Mind you, it's not easy to ignite but once alight it's very difficult to extinguish.
 

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