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Sep 10^th, 2005 at 8:28am

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The new airbus A400M is Airbus latest answer to the Hercules

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/home.html
Cool!
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/A400M1tht
Can you see missiles?
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/A400M2tht
Smokey!
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/A400M3tht
woow!
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/A400M4tht
This Cockpit is AWESOME!!
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/A400M5tht

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Reply #1 - Sep 10^th, 2005 at 11:49am

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copy paste pot ketlle.

An-70 -> An-7x german project -> Airbus A400.

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Reply #2 - Sep 10^th, 2005 at 11:52am

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Doesn't look like an Airbus cockpit...

I personally don't see this becoming a big seller since most people who want the Hercules already have it...and the cost to design and manifacture the A400M will be high.

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Reply #3 - Sep 10^th, 2005 at 12:22pm

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Nice pics though... I'd love to fly that beast once...

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Reply #4 - Sep 10^th, 2005 at 12:24pm

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Doesn't look like an Airbus cockpit...

I personally don't see this becoming a big seller since most people who want the Hercules already have it...and the cost to design and manifacture the A400M will be high.

They've already got several major orders. It'll be a viable alternative to the limited capability of the Herc (due to its internal dimensions) and the very expensive C-17 (how many airforces have been able to afford that?). Completely new airframe, modern avionics, new engines: shouldn't be too bad...

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Reply #5 - Sep 10^th, 2005 at 12:41pm

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They've already got several major orders. It'll be a viable alternative to the limited capability of the Herc (due to its internal dimensions) and the very expensive C-17 (how many airforces have been able to afford that?). Completely new airframe, modern avionics, new engines: shouldn't be too bad...

What Charlie said. This isnt a new idea, they have been designing it for quiet a few years now, and will be very sucessful. As Charlie said, its a very good inbetween of the C17 and Herc. Looks like an Airbus cockpit to me, the screens are a little bigger for military requirements, but the same standard layout and side-stick.
As for it being a copy of some antanov or whatever, maybe, but its also a basic copy of the C130 which is god knows how old. No point going down that road, as the designs for such transports will be pretty much the same, as its the best method. High wing 4 prop. change the tail a little there ya go.

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Reply #6 - Sep 10^th, 2005 at 12:55pm

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Nice looking piece of kit Theis Wink

Sorry I can't purchase one...it will land on my strip but won't fit in my hangar. Roll Eyes

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Reply #7 - Sep 10^th, 2005 at 3:43pm

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Swept wing, 4x 10000HP turboprops, as fast as a C17 and probably better short runway performance (no spinup time)

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Reply #8 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 2:56am

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just FYI... in that 2nd pic it's firing off flares.

As for takeoff performance being better than a C-17... probably, but for a jet that huge, the '17 deserves some serious respect. Those blown' flaps really increase the performance a lot.

If I'm not mistaken (correct me if I am wrong) the '17 can also operate out of a 3,000 foot strip.

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Reply #9 - Sep 19^th, 2005 at 12:24pm

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just FYI... in that 2nd pic it's firing off flares.

It's a very well doctored C-130 pic. I'm trying to place it - I'm sure it was and RAF Herc in the original

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If I'm not mistaken (correct me if I am wrong) the '17 can also operate out of a 3,000 foot strip.

Aye, but I expect that depends a lot on what it is/isn't carrying in the back...

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Reply #10 - Sep 20^th, 2005 at 7:07pm

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It's a very well doctored C-130 pic. I'm trying to place it - I'm sure it was and RAF Herc in the original

Indeed, I seem to remember a pic like it. The 400M also seems to have adopted a slightly different fuseflage and engine shape than in the other pics, which indicates that it is indeed a doctored pic.

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Reply #11 - Sep 20^th, 2005 at 7:17pm

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Crumbso, for shame! How DARE you presume that Airbus would stoop so low as to copy a concept?

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Reply #12 - Sep 20^th, 2005 at 7:23pm

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BAD CRUMBSO LOL!

How could I be so outragously cynical? Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Sep 21^st, 2005 at 5:29am

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The An-70 would have been the cheaper and better looking solution, but I'm not sure whether the maintenance costs are lower than those of the A400 (because of the counter-rotating props).

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Reply #14 - Sep 21^st, 2005 at 7:08am

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Antonnov has even more SHP output... 13500HP or so (and that is a fuel flow limit, the engine easyly does 15000-16000HP)

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Reply #15 - Sep 21^st, 2005 at 7:57am

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little bit of info on how things work. In most cases the military have a company do a feasability study to decide which aircraft is most suited to its needs. They send out various requirements to the companies and say we want this, can your product do it. After they get the reports back they then go to the other company and say what the other has beaten them in can you adjust it, or perhaps offer a better deal to make up for it. After all that is done, in most cases the better design is chosen. There is no point in saying one is better than the other simply because that isn't true. While one airforce might need the capabilities of the Antanov it might be completely useless for another where as the C130 A400 or even the C17 may fill the roll perfectly, an vice-versa. It could have 7000HP and it still might be useless.

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Reply #16 - Sep 21^st, 2005 at 12:34pm

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I can't really see the RAF/USAF using an Antonov Tongue

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Reply #17 - Sep 21^st, 2005 at 1:58pm

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The main reason the RAF got their C-17s was because they were fed up using Heavylifts/Volga Dnepr AN-124s...

I could never see the RAF operating a Russian type - at least not for at least 30 years - we have all our capability sorted until then.

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