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Aug 6th, 2005 at 12:38am

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Hi,


I have a Compaq Presario S6500NX pc with an Asus A7V8X-LA motherboard. THis board has the Via KM/KN 400 chipset.
Although I have never had any problems with this computer other than replacing the Micro ATX Case, I would like to know if in the near future I had to replace the motherboard and I choose another Asus with the same chipset I would still be able to use the same recovery disks that I'm currently using. It just reloads windows XP Home edition with a lot of program that I use and the best part is that there is no activation and this is what I like the most.

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Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2005 at 1:00am

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I have a Compaq Presario S6500NX pc with an Asus A7V8X-LA motherboard. THis board has the Via KM/KN 400 chipset.
Although I have never had any problems with this computer other than replacing the Micro ATX Case, I would like to know if in the near future I had to replace the motherboard and I choose another Asus with the same chipset I would still be able to use the same recovery disks that I'm currently using. It just reloads windows XP Home edition with a lot of program that I use and the best part is that there is no activation and this is what I like the most.


Probably not Selbio,

that board will have a special Compaq version of the BIOS on it and that's what will recognize those recovery disks..


But I wouldn't worry about it. The motherboard would be about the last thing to fail,  barring a power spike or lightning strike or something of that nature.

A good UPS is a nice thing to have.
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 6th, 2005 at 4:35am

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Expect the hard drive to fail first.
 

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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2005 at 8:49pm

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Well that blows then....

But what if somehow I'm able to boot off the recovery disk, if formatting and file copying (which is what it actually does) goes through, will those drivers work?

the_autopilot,

I say a motherboard failure but I would not even wait that long since there are much nicer boards out there.
I'm after a SFF barebone, this one actually http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856115014 that has the board configuration.

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Reply #4 - Aug 7th, 2005 at 6:32am

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The restore disk sucks selbio, and your new mainboard will come with cables and a driver disk.

Don't get a via chipset for your socket A cpu, get an nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset, or a more modern variant, (I think 1 exists...).

The nForce2 is going to be a top performer for a while yet and will do fine until you go to 64bit.

nForce2 runs best if 2 similar ram sticks are used in dual channel mode, they take 400mhz XP3200+ cpu's and should be able to run overclocked semprons for cheap gaming power should you decide to stick with socket A for a while.

You really need a copy of WinXP and then you will finally be free from the compaq syndrome.

After you get it all set up and going good, make a disk image and VOILA! , you have your own custom restore disk if you want.

As for the via chipsets, they take the via 4 in 1 or whatever they are called now...... it's a "fit's all" driver for via chipsets.

The thing you are going to need is any drivers for hardware that came bundled with your compaq PC, such as scanners, printers, video card, sound card etc.

The original drivers may be able to be extracted from the setup disks, but you could probably find newer drivers seperately on the internet.

When a normal windows disk loads, it prompts you to enter some info and finishes up with a new default desktop. It will load any drivers automatically for your hardware that  it has in it's database and then prompt you for drivers it cant find. At this stage, it's best to cancel everything and run the mainboard driver disk setup util, this will install the mainboard specific drivers.

Next, load any other hardware drivers you have and run the Service Pack 2 setup installation here:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245...

Next, get your firewall and internet security in place, disable automatic updates and you are ready to get online again. Don't let auto updates overwrite all your drivers and screw up your new install.

It's best if you start collecting drivers for all your hardware and get that download above, (it's huge), and then you'll bet set to go when you upgrade the board.

You can test installing the hardware drivers just prior to the changeover to get the hang of it so you dont mess up the new installation. It doesnt matter if you screw up your old windows. This way you can test the drivers and get to know the correct procedure beforehand.

You don't need to get stuck on asus boards either if other quality boards are available. There are many very nice socket A boards out there.
 

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Reply #5 - Aug 8th, 2005 at 5:47am

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Next, get your firewall and internet security in place, disable automatic updates and you are ready to get online again. Don't let auto updates overwrite all your drivers and screw up your new install.



Never ever turn off auto update unless you visit windows update often.

BTW, the new windows update only installs security patchs by default. Other non-critical updates like windows component updates like windows media, etc. do not get updated. Drivers also do not get selected for update by default.

 

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Reply #6 - Aug 8th, 2005 at 3:55pm

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Never ever turn off auto update unless you visit windows update often.



Could you give us one good reason why we should let an automated system modify our PC's operating system when it works perfectly "out of the box" since SP2 Autopilot? I'm bewildered as to why anyone would want to do that unless there was some specific problem.

I can see why a business organisation might want to comply out of "duty of care" but for the average home PC user, I really don't see the point.

Are there still any gaping security holes that MS want us to patch up? I for one don't think much at all about the MS firewall, the security center or any such automated hogwash and promptly replace all such nonsense with some decent freeware that gets the job done properly.

Is MS update really most beneficial to MS for marketing purposes after they read all of our configurations?

As long as the Op Sys is doing it's job and not causing any loss of performance or malfunction, I stand by my comments. But please, enlighten me if I've missed something relevant, as all I've seen in my experience, after SP2, is people having hassle after hassle with auto-updates.

I don't think there was or ever will be again a comparable op sys to SP2 as far as "out of the box" compatibility and functionality. It wouldn't pay MS to make that mistake again, and I suspect they are working very hard at this moment to remedy that situation.

Since installing SP2, my clients, friends and myself have enjoyed a rare reprieve from the paranoia of having all that "Critical" worry and bother hanging over our heads, so what are we missing out on that's so important and why should I rejoin the masses in total dependance to the MS website?

If MS gets back to the Bad Old Days of multiple critical updates all the time, (and they probably will) I'll then seriously consider using another op sys, (or possibly just keep using the perfect one I already have, unless they figure out some way to wreck it).

I'm sorry, I went overboard again.........  Tongue
I've had a lot of horrendous experiences with auto-update in the past, and it's not at all forgotten yet Autopilot.

My situation is not the norm, as it were. I am always striving to cut, chop and otherwise subdue the operating system, third party software and applications to their most meagre bare essentials in the constant struggle to maintain some measure of system performance in the face of all the automation imposed on us all by the software developers.

In recent history, I and others like me have in some measure been supported by the software writers it seems, as they are now nearly always providing an option to turn the automation in their programs off if desired. This is a good current trend and is rather decent and professional of them I think. Not everyone does this however, and it's still a battle to keep things clean on the PC.

I used to enjoy downloading all kinds of utilities and apps, trying them out etc, but it all ended up a huge nightmare, and I'm very choosy about installing anything anymore. (I no longer format my PC twice a week)   Grin

Well, all that longwinded rave brings me to a point and here it is:

Since installing SP2, disabling auto-updates, getting rid of my anti-virus automation and  disabling as much automated garbage as I can find, my formatting is now confined to system builds and not in response to some errata in my Op Sys. I don't seem to have problems anymore and I can concentrate on flying online, designing, researching and, well, expressing myself here for example!  Wink
 

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Reply #7 - Aug 8th, 2005 at 5:19pm

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Are there still any gaping security holes that MS want us to patch up? I for one don't think much at all about the MS firewall, the security center or any such automated hogwash and promptly replace all such nonsense with some decent freeware that gets the job done properly.


I agree.

I turn all of that nonsense off.
I do not use Internet Explorer or Outlook Express.

There are far better free programs to accomplish all internet security, browsers, e-mail clients, etc than any of the MS stuff.

If I want to get critical updates, it is easy to go into Services and turn on the two that are needed, get the updates and then disable it all again.
 
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Reply #8 - Aug 8th, 2005 at 7:12pm

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That's just the point though, are there any critical updates to SP2, and if so, why aren't they critical enough to have affected me in over 18 months of faultless SP2 usage?

I'm certainly exposed to security threats, with only basic knowledge of Internet Security, but so far I haven't had any events "that I am aware of". This is not a light statement, as I host an online flying server and voice comms on my dialup connection, every byte per second needs to be tweaked to make that possible. I would notice any bandwidth loss, not to mention that zonealarm firewall would put on a big song and dance should someone/something try to connect to my PC.

What the heck is so darn critical then? It's mass hysteria as far as I'm concerned and it's fueling a whole security industry, which is largely, as far as home PC owners are concerned, totally unnecessary.

90% of folks will get by fine on a freeware, software firewall alone as security.

Most people are boring, there is no need or glory in hacking into Joe Blogs PC. But if a hacker worms his way into  a well defended and famous network, he is an underground hero.

People dont write viruses to circumvent or cripple small freeware companies either, they target Norton or Microsoft based systems and the like. If you are using those services, or other major players' software etc, then you should expect trouble. Home users can afford to "stear clear" of the big boys, as our data is not critically confidential, at least it shouldn't be...... no-one is going to get State secrets from us right?

All that the majority here are concerned with is that we put a lot of time into our PC's getting things the way we like them, and at some considerable cost for some, to obtain our precious data.
The fear of losing all our efforts to date is what compels us into the security spiral, shoring up our little machines like some deviant superpower would.

Look, the viruses etc. that do the real damage are the ones that are new and rampant and there is no immediate knowledge or cure for, that's WHY they do so much damage.

In most cases, any known security won't deal with a new and real threat anyway.

I am constantly both amused and annoyed by a very common event, I haven't got a name for it yet........... but it occurs nearly everyday while I'm interacting with people online, and it probably happens to most of you out there.

You are busy going about your activities on the PC when all of a sudden you get ripped straight to some application trying to do a useless update, in fact,  I suspect a lot of people spend half their productive time keeping everything updated!

This update activity interferes with our lives constantly, and is an outright nuisance in plague proportion in online gaming rooms and servers, causing lag, disconnections and other interfering symptoms. It's pathetic and intrusive.

Compare all the time spent on obtaining a false sense of security to the possible downtime a virus would cause and it's not worth it in my opinion. Data can be backed up securely on a seperate hard disk once a week for example, and a hard disk is a lot cheaper than the multitude of professional security programs on offer.

Not everyone will agree with this philosophy, I don't expect them too. But for those willing to embrace it, you will find some freedom and peace of mind.
 

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Reply #9 - Aug 8th, 2005 at 8:48pm

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Ok, that was long a speech and I'll give it a response.

I'm sorry about your horrible experiences with windows auto-update. I've never had any problem with it at all.

Auto-update downloads patches for exploits people have found in computers and it really does prevent virus (and other nasty) outbreaks. Take for example the blaster virus. A patch for that was released a week before the widespread outburst. Most people, however, followed your philosophy and didn't download it. Well, the blaster worm hit and you can see what happened.

Most people believe that if it works now, it'll work forever, which isn't true. People will always find ways to bypass security in software (or anything) and so the company must fix those holes. If you don't download those fixes, you are vunerable. And sooner or later, virues will target you.

We would NOT have some many virus attacks or worm attacks if people kept their software up to date. Many viruses out there right now don't target windows XP SP2, they target older OS's like win98 or XP w/o SP2. Its always a good idea to keep your computer up to date so that any new vulnerabilities don't affect you.

BTW, if you think going non-MS will cure your security woes, don't. Firefox, in fact, had more vulnerabilities found in it this year then IE did. I didn't make that up and if you doubt me, I can post sources.

I really don't agree with any of your philosophy. and in the end, its really about how valuable your data is to you. For the average home user, its not that important. For a corporation, it is. I've trained with the corporate mentaility, to stand ready to defend against as mnay threats as possible. Home users use obsecuirty in hopes that hackers won't target them. Well, hackers do. Home PC's may not have state secrets, but they can be very useful in launching attacks, like, for example, DoS attacks. So beware, sometimes, data isn't what hackers are after.

I still stand by my advice to let windows update do its thing. We'll just see who gets his computer wrecked first by a virus or worm or whatever new thing hackers can think up.
 

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Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 2:44am

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That's just the point though, are there any critical updates to SP2, and if so, why aren't they critical enough to have affected me in over 18 months of faultless SP2 usage?


Because people like us are a tiny tiny minority of the hundreds of millions of people using MS Windows.

The majority are totally clueless about internet security and in the case of these millions, the_ autopilot is quite right.
That's why Auto Updates, Security Centre, Windows Firewall are on by default.. If they weren't most people would be infected within five minutes of connecting to the internet and they would rapidly infect everyone else.
 
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Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2005 at 5:02am

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Point taken onboard, I'll consider my position priviledged and lucky from now on.  Smiley

The Blaster worm virus was the only virus that's ever had an impact on my PC as far as I know, at the time, I used Norton's AV package and util's but it didn't include a firewall.

That was also during the  bad old Update days of mine when I used to check the MS update site regularly for updates, but I had already turned auto-updating off.

I was one of the first PC's infected by the worm and I had re-formatted and re-installed my Op Sys 3 times in a row after being constantly re-infected over a 2 week period. Then the news broke about the Blaster worm and I of course found my solution.

Up until that point, I relied on Norton AV and Win Update to secure my PC on the net. Since then, and immediately after the event, I began researching internet security and realised I needed a firewall.

I felt totally let down by Norton and MS and vowed I would take internet security into my own hands and have done so since.

I wasn't aware that MS had released the Blaster worm advice in advance of my infection, and I recall telling all my friends about the weird stuff happening to my PC involving RPC services on my computer over a week in advance of any published info on the attack. I doubt very much that Windows Update would have saved me all the trouble I went through even had it been enabled.

The main trouble I had with windows update was my dialup connection which made the update process almost impossible and very frustrating, The site seemed to hang all activity on the PC and it would fail if you tried to do much other than let the update complete, this was not a satisfactory situation and it still isn't for dialup users. Dialup users HAVE NO CHOICE as a rule, yet the now cumbersome WW Web is making life VERY difficult as web pages get larger in size and routines get more complex. The MS Update site is very cumbersome to a dialup user.

I also was ignorant and thought that MS update advice was sound, so I updated drivers etc and screwed over my rig and suffered performance losses at almost EVERY single driver  update.

I have had several people call me and report to me that their PC's are not working correctly or at all, directly after an auto update event.

These are some of the reasons why I think the way I do, but I realise now that you are right about the majority of users leaving Auto-updates on, so I probably won't be advising it to the public in future.
 

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Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2005 at 9:11pm

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I use Custom feature of auto updates so I choose what I want t install like security fixes etc and just uncheck any drivers.
 

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Reply #13 - Aug 12th, 2005 at 10:30pm

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Pk,

Got rif of that motherboard after I messed it up installing a new Heatsink.

I did replace the motherboard with a Gigabyte K8VM800M and a Sempron 2800 and a fresh windows XP installation.

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How can I burn a bootable image of that hard drive that way I can just recovery it and that way I can avoid activation?
 

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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2005 at 9:11am

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You need some drive imaging software such as Norton Ghost; as far as avoiding activation, you better ask Microsoft if that's ok first.........  Tongue
 

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