Simviation Forum - Jimbo's first trial flight (2)..(EGNF)

Jul 31^st, 2005 at 3:50pm

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Some more pics of my great day out for you all...

Dont worry Mark, this is the last thread on this Grin

And my certificate, and im sure to return, im very sure...

I wish to thank you all for looking at my pics. Cheesy

James

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Reply #1 - Jul 31^st, 2005 at 4:09pm

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Dont worry Mark, this is the last thread on this Grin

Shame!

Lol!

Looks like a nice little airfield. Seems on of the first former JEFTS (Joint Elementary Flying Training School) Firefly's is in the first shot...

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Reply #2 - Jul 31^st, 2005 at 4:56pm

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MMMMmmmmh pitty i didn't have any more Roll Eyes

Well im gettin another booked... Grin

LOL

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Reply #3 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 7:07am

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Outstanding! You are now officially no longer a "normal" person-you have fallen under The Spell...
Keep up that enthusiastic momentum, and before you know it, you'll be soloing!!

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Reply #4 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 3:41pm

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Hi Jimbo, my old Mate... Grin

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Supercalifragilisticexpialidocous... Grin

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Glad the flight went well, ( I knew it would.. Wink

...)....

...!

Now you can see why I love the little Cessna's....
...instead of those daft shiny cigar tubes with jet engines and parents with their screaming kids... Wink

...!

I can tell from your post that you thoroughly enjoyed the experience, the flight simulator can never quite give you the feeling of being in a REAL aeroplane, experiencing the various g-forces and observing to scenery all around you passing by.....ever so slowly!... Grin

...LOL...!
...and what about all those fluffy clouds...and diving through holes in them... 8)...!
You will have noticed a tip I got from good-old Hagar....not having to use the rudder pedals when gently banking...(special ailerons on the wings!), just use the yoke...easy-peasy.... Grin

...!
Did you notice the similarity with the gauges and radios on the real plane....exactly the same as the sim...!

If you are familiar with your local county, it's fun using known landmarks to pick your way around, while watching your compass bearings... 8)...!

There you go then Jimbo, I'm glad I helped to convert you to the joys of General Aviation and meeting a merry band of Private Pilots, with the help of Mr. Cessna and his lovely 152's.... Wink

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...!

Cheers Jimbo...
...until the next trip above the clouds... 8)...!

Paul...!

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Reply #5 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 3:54pm

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not having to use the rudder pedals when gently banking...(special ailerons on the wings!), just use the yoke...easy-peasy.... Grin

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Progressionist, out of balance flying techniques! Shocked

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Reply #6 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 4:16pm

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Progressionist, out of balance flying techniques! Shocked

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Cessna 152: Has differential ailerons(up 20º down 15º)with mass balancing; a conventional rudder; and slotted fowler flaps operated electrically. The flaps can be set at 10º for take off from a soft surface and at 20º or 30º for landing.

http://www.toandfrom.org/lightaircraft/airframes.html

Gentle banking can be achieved without serious side slipping with the type of ailerons fitted to the Cessna 152... Wink

...!

...been there...done it...!

(not for high-flyer fighter jet pilots tho'... Wink

...)...!

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Reply #7 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 4:23pm

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Hang on a mo Paul. I don't remember giving anyone advice on flying. Not sure I've ever sat in a Cessna of any type, let alone flown in one. Most aircraft with conventional aerofoil sections have differential ailerons but the ones I'm used to (Tiger Moth, Chipmunk etc) need rudder for turns.

Well done Jimbo old chap, Cheesy

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Reply #8 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 4:35pm

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Hang on a mo Paul. I don't remember giving anyone advice on flying. Not sure I've ever sat in a Cessna of any type, let alone flown in one. Most aircraft with conventional aerofoil sections have differential ailerons but the ones I'm used to (Tiger Moth, Chipmunk etc) need rudder for turns.

Well done Jimbo old chap, Cheesy

Hi Hagar....!

I remember mentioning to the instructor that I was able to gently bank the aircraft and maintain the slip ball in the centre without excessive use of the rudder pedals....
He confirmed it...
"All to do with the design of the ailerons on the small Cessna 150/152's", he said...

I mentioned it to you when I returned, and you seemed familiar with it, and posted a link to a site explaining the arrangement, which I found very useful... Wink

...!

Probably explains why the Cessna 152 is used as an excellent, safe, easy-to-fly trainer... Grin

...!

Paul.....

Tiger Moth...now that's a different kettle of fish.... Wink

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LOL...!

P.S. It is interesting to note that on the Cessna 152's in the Simulator it is necessary to use the rudder to keep the slip-ball centered while banking.....but in the REAL Cessna it is not so vital because of the realistic ailerons working in a REAL airflow, and the aircraft can be gently banked with the feet off the pedals...!

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Reply #9 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 4:45pm

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Ah, all high-wing aircraft have a certain natural stability. This is due to the low CofG which makes it act a bit like a pendulum. Without getting too technical, differential movement is used to counteract the drag of the down-going aileron. This would make it yaw in the opposite direction to what you intended. It's not a new idea nor restricted to the modern Cessna trainers. Most light aircraft have aileron differential. On the good old Tiger Moth the "down" aileron actually comes back to neutral on full throw.

Some sport R/C models have no rudder at all but are quite capable of being flown smoothly & even simple aerobatics. They're flown with aileron & elevator.

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Reply #10 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 4:54pm

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Ah, all high-wing aircraft have a certain natural stability. This is due to the low CofG which makes it act a bit like a pendulum.

Excellent, Doug....

You know me...
I'm all for a bit of stability....
......especially where the old pendulum is concerned... Wink

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LOL... Grin

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Cheers Doug...!

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Reply #11 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 4:59pm

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Excellent, Doug....

You know me...
I'm all for a bit of stability....
......especially where the old pendulum is concerned... Wink

...!

LOL... Grin

...!

Cheers Doug...!

...ya gotta larf... Grin

...!

LOL

If I remember correctly you asked about aileron differential. I posted a link to a model site showing how it worked. I never give advice on flying. Best to leave that to the experts. Wink

PS. Jimbo. Listen to your instructor, not us lot.

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Reply #12 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 5:00pm

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Cessna 152: Has differential ailerons(up 20º down 15º)with mass balancing; a conventional rudder; and slotted fowler flaps operated electrically. The flaps can be set at 10º for take off from a soft surface and at 20º or 30º for landing.

http://www.toandfrom.org/lightaircraft/airframes.html

Gentle banking can be achieved without serious side slipping with the type of ailerons fitted to the Cessna 152... Wink

...!

...been there...done it...!

(not for high-flyer fighter jet pilots tho'... Wink

...)...!

Paul.

Lol

I never remember using the rudder pedals (except for taxying) when I learnt to fly on the C152 either!

Now with 1100+ hp up the front driving a four blader, rudder pedal dancing becomes a constant endeavour! Grin

On the subject of 152s, one of my instructors offered to demo a loop in the schools shabbiest looking (non aerobat) C152s. I politely declined, offering my early teenage experience in the Chippie and Bulldog as a space cadet (Air Cadet Wink

)...

He also showed me the C152's differential air-braking...

...THE DOORS! Cheesy

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Reply #13 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 5:02pm

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Eeek - look at all those smillies! I must be turning into a mini-Foz! Wink

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Reply #14 - Aug 1^st, 2005 at 5:20pm

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Eeek - look at all those smilies! I must be turning into a mini-Foz! Wink

LOL...!

I am an excellent "Trainer" in the selective use of smilies for all occasions...!
...makes posting fun...and relays your true feelings... Tongue

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LOL... Cheesy

...!

Paul....always up for a laugh... 8)...!

Jimbo...observe Fozzers tips...you will be safe...trust me... Wink

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LOL...!

P.S. What is the last craft in Jimbo's shots...looks like it is fitted with a Volkswagen engine...?

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