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Reply #15 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 5:50am

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I agree Doug, the older flicks inspite of truely terrible special effects are worth watching.
Real planes, actors who were mostly real veterans of the war and could actually march and salute properly....
Good ones to see are Dambusters, Battle of Britain, The Colditz Story (I think might be called Escape From Colditz, I always muddle up the book and the film titles), and a fictional favourite of mine Ice Cold in Alex.
Bridge on The River Kwai is also a damn good film Wink
 

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Reply #16 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 6:04am

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It's silly to make a subject like this. If you did a whole true story of WW2 you would need huge posting space and a person like me, lol! Grin

Britain and France did what they could! Tongue It would probably be too costly to ship heaps of soldiers to Poland. But they invaded just like they should have. Not all Germans were Nazis, just bear that in mind when you say the Nazi Germans invaded. Sure the guys who told them to go to Poland were Nazi, but Quote:
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. Ozzy, I've seen some of those movies! Smiley

U-571, anyone? (It's a movie). Wink
 

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Reply #17 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 6:08am

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It is amazing how few of the German soldiers/sailors/airmen were in fact dyed in the wool Nazis. Most of them were trying to uphold the honour of their service and do their job as best they could.
I think most soldiers the world over are apolitical...
 

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Reply #18 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 7:17am
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It is amazing how few of the German soldiers/sailors/airmen were in fact dyed in the wool Nazis. Most of them were trying to uphold the honour of their service and do their job as best they could.
I think most soldiers the world over are apolitical...


Damn right.


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U-571, anyone? (It's a movie).


...and it sucks arse.
 
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Reply #19 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 9:14am

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I have to agree with you Björn the U-571 was pants Tongue Hollywood at its worst Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #20 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 9:32am

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It's silly to make a subject like this. If you did a whole true story of WW2 you would need huge posting space and a person like me, lol! Grin

I think you're missing the point Bomber old chap.

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U-571, anyone? (It's a movie). Wink

Pure fiction presented as fact. The sort of rubbish Skörpion is complaining about.

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I agree Doug, the older flicks inspite of truely terrible special effects are worth watching.
Real planes, actors who were mostly real veterans of the war and could actually march and salute properly....
Good ones to see are Dambusters, Battle of Britain, The Colditz Story (I think might be called Escape From Colditz, I always muddle up the book and the film titles), and a fictional favourite of mine Ice Cold in Alex.
Bridge on The River Kwai is also a damn good film  

I was thinking of the lesser-known films made in the late 40s & 50s. The sort of thing they used to show on British TV during the afternoons before those stupid "reality" shows became popular. They might seem corny & over-sentimental now but are far better than many modern feature films. Some don't have much gung-ho action or even footage of aircraft or combat. No huge multi-million dollar budget either. What they do have is a darned good story, well told & competently acted. 'The Way to the Stars' (1945) ('Johnny in the Clouds' in the US) is just one example & deals with the experiences of the USAAF bomber crews when they first came to England. Treated suspiciously at first but gradually accepted by the locals. The script was by the famous dramatist & playwright Terence Rattigan. http://www.learmedia.ca/product_info.php/products_id/94 Lots more like that.
'Dunkirk' (1958 ) is another black & white classic. http://www.radiodirectory.com/ukstoreproductsB00004CWKU.html (Look at the bottom of that page for more of the same.)
'The Cruel Sea' starring Jack Hawkins is another classic film of a classic book. They just don't make 'em like that any more.

I also thought the more recent 'Memphis Belle' was very well done.
 

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Reply #21 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 9:43am

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I didn't like Memphis Belle that much but Cruel Sea (based on the book by Nicholas Monsarrat, available from Penguin) is excellent. There was a BBC 2 part drama a few years back called Over Here which was excellent (as well as rather amusing) about a US bomber gunner and a Spitfire pilot. Good aerial footage 8)
 

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Reply #22 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 10:42am

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What stands out in all those old classics is the lack of special effects & graphic violence. Those old film-makers could portray the horror of war & every other emotion without that being necessary. You could also understand every word without turning the volume up full-blast or learning to lipread. I think some of the modern film-makers could benefit from watching them too.
 

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Reply #23 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 10:47am

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I do believe you have a point there Doug.
Ice Cold in Alex, not much in the way of action but nevertheless the tension between the characters draws you in. Maybe we should revive B&W movies and ban big computerised special effects?
I know the warbird industry and re-enactment groups would be over the moon Grin
 

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Reply #24 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 1:03pm
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I also thought the more recent 'Memphis Belle' was very well done.


Except the point that the gunners were destroying at least 2183248956 german aircraft in that movie.
Unrealistic.
 
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Reply #25 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 1:39pm

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Except the point that the gunners were destroying at least 2183248956 german aircraft in that movie.
Unrealistic.

Artistic licence I'm afraid. Reality is no longer horrific enough for your average audience.
 

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Reply #26 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 2:03pm

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The Brits fought back with everything they could, but at least they held the line.   


I'd say Britain did a lot more than "hold the line" in WW2 considering the size of the country compared to Germany and might even go as far to say that they probably did more to defeat the Germans in WW2 than the Americans did.
 

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Reply #27 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 2:56pm

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I'd say Britain did a lot more than "hold the line" in WW2 considering the size of the country compared to Germany

Please don't forget the contribution of the British Empire. Thousands of Australians, New Zealanders & Canadians (not to mention volunteers from all over the Empire) came to serve Britain in her hour of need. I'm ashamed to say that in many cases their help was abused & they were sent on impossible missions. Without them it would have been a very different story.

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About 10,000 Australian airmen served with RAF Bomber Command, making up approximately 9 per cent of its strength.

Of the 125,000 aircrew, an estimated 73,741 became casualties, including 55,500 killed. In Bomber Command, 3486 Australians were killed, which accounted for almost 20 per cent of combat deaths of Australians who enlisted during World War II.
 

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Reply #28 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 1:04am

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Modern culture seems to have some sort of sick, abnormal fascination with Nazis or anything with a Swastika, so I'd imagine such a film would sell well.  As far as I've seen, that's about the only kind of war film that does well here.  It more of a problem with society than with Hollywood.


  I don't think Hollywood has a fscination with Nazis, its just that they, and what they stood for, makes them the perfect bad guys and easy targerts for our hate.

  Also, in the "politically correct" world we now live in, its more palatable to show caucasian males as villians than Asians, even though the atrocities done by the Japanese during World War 2 were just as brutal as those done by the Nazis.
 
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Reply #29 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 1:28am

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That is because Japan is a major trading partner Roll Eyes
I have to agree with Doug about the efforts of soldiers from across the Empire who helped in the fight, men from S.Africa, Rhodesia, India, heck pretty much everywhere.
Not many people know of the contributions and sacrifices made by the Indian troops for example (nowadays India and Pakistan). They fought with incredible courage in N.Africa and served with the highest standards of professionalism. Many troops came from places like the West Indies and also did incredibly brave things.
There were also non-Empire personnel who were superb as well, Ireland supplied many soldiers, sailors and airmen who fought with distinction.
Other surprising countries including Iceland (1 Spitfire pilot, Tony Jonsson read his excellent autobiography Dancing In The Skies, Grub Street), Denmark (Andres Lassen, the SASs only VC during WWII, there are two biographies on him one in Danish by his mother and the other in English by Mike Langley), and even Switzerland (Arturo Fanconi, who died on Utah beech trying to reach a trapped comrade after rescuing two. He had his feet blown off and bled to death, the only known Swiss to have fought in WWII).
 

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