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There will never be an easyjet virtual :( (Read 2902 times)
Jul 14th, 2005 at 10:18am

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Out of intrest, I sent an email to the easy group to inquire about "Easyjet Virtual".  All I can says is a appreciate the fact that I received a reply from them.

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I am writing on behalf of easyGroup IP LicensingL td.  easyGroup IP Licensing Ltd owns the intellectual property rights of all the easyGroup companies including easyJet.

I have been forwarded your email dated 13 July 2005 that you sent to easyJet regarding a request to set up an easyJet Virtual Airline.  We do not approve your use of the easyJet name and therefore do not authorise you to set up an easyJet virtual airline.


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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2005 at 9:38pm

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Wonder if there would be any point in trying to organize flight simmers to not patronize real world airlines that do not allow virtual versions to exist even when asked?   Wink  I understand that FedEx shut down the virtual FedEx one... (but not sure if that is true or not).

As a group we probably do not have enough "political clout" to matter.


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Reply #2 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 12:19am

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I never understand that.  Id say a virtual version of an airline can better promote it for business.
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 3:45am

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It's really weird, I know some real world airlines encourage their VA counterparts (i.e. British Airways, Cathay Pacific, and I believe Delta) but others seriously oppose it. Personally, I cannot see the harm in a VA especially if there is no financial gain involved.

...but yeah Britannia that is dissapointing. Even though I rarely fly in Europe, if I had to choose a favorite company EasyJet would be up there, top 3 for sure.

Anyways, keep at it! If you send them enough e-mails and demonstrate you are serious by showing them a highly detailed proposal for the VA...that might work
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 7:50am
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Basically the reason in my view is that the airlines can't control the VA's... Let's say you would join a Easyjet VA and all goes well...But if later things don't go well and you get kicked ou for some reason..Being kicked isn't good for you and nasty...Whenever you hear the name Easyjet you are associating it maybe unknowingly with a bad experience. This can lead to a drop in passengers for Easyjet... This is just an easy explanation but I think that's why they won't allow it..
 
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Reply #5 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 6:11pm

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^ Flightsimmers are in a minority, at least the ones that take it serious enough to join a VA. So I'm am sure EasyJet's concern isn't with a few pissed off simmers that had a "bad" experience...

...I believe it's more a question of company image and finances...

But like I said before, keep tryin'. Let them know what exactly VA's are and what you plan to do w/ the company name and logo.
 
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Reply #6 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 6:14pm

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American Airlines also doesn't like people flying around in there livery in FS...as mentioned, you think it would help promote business, but I guess there is a downside to everything.
 
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Reply #7 - Jul 16th, 2005 at 12:44am

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Really, American doesn't doesn't support AVA? Seems odd, that whole intro video AVA has is littered w/ real American commercial clips...the stuff you probably can only get from American. I forgot to add Austrian Virtual, Brussels Airlines, and Sabena. They are all supported, or at least have official permission from their real world counterparts.
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2005 at 11:39am

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That's a pity. Easyjet operates to Inverness. I love their colourful paint scheme.
 
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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2005 at 10:56pm

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Its doesnt matter. Just start a website using free website hosting. Untracable. Wink

Ps: Not that Ive done it miself but stuff like that makes me mad. Thats like parking your plane in the ramp and putting a "dont look" poster on it.
 
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Reply #10 - Jul 22nd, 2005 at 1:55pm

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i'd use the opposite aproach:
contact airlines if they are interested in helping their virtual counterpart off the ground with pictures of their planes, flight scedules, logs, procedures....
 
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Reply #11 - Jul 22nd, 2005 at 7:24pm

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i'd use the opposite aproach:
contact airlines if they are interested in helping their virtual counterpart off the ground with pictures of their planes, flight scedules, logs, procedures....


I understand that but who gives a damn about an airline that is continents away? thats just stupid waiting for a reply. They probably dont know what Virtaul Airlines are. LOL
 
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Reply #12 - Jul 22nd, 2005 at 11:35pm

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^ True but I think United Virtual or whatever the hell they called themselves were forced to make some pretty dramatic changes because of copyrighting
 
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Reply #13 - Jul 22nd, 2005 at 11:41pm

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Oh, by the way you can create an EasyJet Virtual Airlines you'll just have to name it....EasyJet Virtual Airlines Grin or EasyJet Virtual, whatever you want I guess, but you get the point. I'm not exactly sure if you can us the company logo on your website but I am pretty sure you can distribute EasyJet repaint for your fleet without breaking any law. So, go for it I guess
 
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Reply #14 - Jul 23rd, 2005 at 12:29am

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I understand that but who gives a damn about an airline that is continents away? thats just stupid waiting for a reply. They probably dont know what Virtaul Airlines are. LOL



there are so many european airlines, some of them should apreciate it.
 
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Reply #15 - Jul 23rd, 2005 at 10:39am

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Oh, by the way you can create an EasyJet Virtual Airlines you'll just have to name it....EasyJet Virtual Airlines  or EasyJet Virtual, whatever you want I guess, but you get the point. I'm not exactly sure if you can us the company logo on your website but I am pretty sure you can distribute EasyJet repaint for your fleet without breaking any law. So, go for it I guess


I think the colours are copyrighted to them, so is the aircraft colour scheme..
And the name is a trademark and copyrighted...


So no, you cant make a airline called Easyjet Virtual...
 
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Reply #16 - Aug 1st, 2005 at 6:08pm

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The test of visual copyright and trademark violation involves the idea whetehr the "average person" looking casually at the offending item and the real item could reasonably confuse the one ofr the other.

So if the "look" is similar................. you can't do it.

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Reply #17 - Aug 3rd, 2005 at 3:12am

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About 4 - 5 years ago there was an Easyjet Virtual, I was one of their pilots and Easyjet pulled the plug on it. So it's not a case of them not letting someone start one, it's more severe, they've actually taken action against an existing one. Shame really, I used to love those Sunday morning rides from Luton down to Palma De Mallorca !!!!!

I'm sure there's no JetEasy out there  Grin Grin
 
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Reply #18 - Aug 3rd, 2005 at 7:38am

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iirc Stelios will try to sue anybody using the word 'easy' or an orange logo. He tried and failed to sure orange telecoms.
 
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Reply #19 - Aug 3rd, 2005 at 11:54pm

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I work for the real airlines, and the reason is simple. Look at some virtual airline's websites, some are better than the airline's, others look like they were thrown together in 10 minutes, if I am planning a vacation, and I search EasyJet, planning to book online, and I come to EasyJet Virtual though, say google, if that website looks horrible, that projects an image, despite the wo organizations are not affiliates.
 
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Reply #20 - Aug 8th, 2005 at 1:44pm

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bserres,

Thanks for the persepctive from the company.  Was that "official" company info.... or just "off the cuff"?

I REALLY don't think that the "Joe Average" consumer is NOT going to fly on the real EasyJet because some kids' website looks bad.  Wink  Give the customer SOME for intelligence. 

Conversely...... if the virtual EasyJet website someone might find on a web search is better looking that the real airlines website is....... someone in the marketing department should have their job performance reviewed!   Roll Eyes


The solution to this is simple and is a win / win situation........

Allow the EasyJet virtual airline(s) to exist, but place a specific restriction on them.  The virtual EasyJet website  HAS to have a "This virtual game airline is NOT affiliated with EasyJet." disclaimer on it in a specific size and type and color of font on the entryway page... or on ALL pages .......or whatever.

That way the company controls the use of it's name and logos.... and the very LARGE and avid flight simulation community can keep EasyJet in the air... and in their minds... and maybe even fly on the real one occasionally.  My guess is that a lot of simmers fly regularly on commercial flights in the real world.

If the company is concerned about potential "economic impacts"........ I can tell you that, as a flight sim enthusiast, based on this situation I will NEVER fly with EasyJet until this situation is changed.  if others in the community follow suiit in an "active boycot"of this type of practice......  I thnk THERE is some sort of economic impact to be concerned about.

That is just my $0.02 speaking as a private individual not a "moderator"... and is not representing the views of the management of SimV in any way.

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Reply #21 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 11:01am
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Dont feel too bad. I contacted America West about starting a virtual airline, and they said NO also...bummer Sad
 
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Reply #22 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 7:47am

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SO you can't call it EasyJet?? Who cares... take a page from Holliwood and make a parody name, like PeasyJet, Easy-PeasyJet, stuff like that. then slightly change the livery and there you go, a EasyJet VA which is close enough for the simmers but far enough to keep you away from the intellectual property junk
 
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Reply #23 - Oct 22nd, 2005 at 9:31pm

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Quote:
Dear Mr Turner,
 
I am writing on behalf of easyGroup IP LicensingL td.  easyGroup IP Licensing Ltd owns the intellectual property rights of all the easyGroup companies including easyJet.
 
I have been forwarded your email dated 13 July 2005 that you sent to easyJet regarding a request to set up an easyJet Virtual Airline.  We do not approve your use of the easyJet name and therefore do not authorise you to set up an easyJet virtual airline.


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