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Reply #15 - Jul 14^th, 2005 at 12:25pm

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I changed the "Spitfire" description, and if the poll is to be "accurate", we should all consider the "generic" plane, rather than a specific model.

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Reply #16 - Jul 14^th, 2005 at 2:04pm

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I changed the "Spitfire" description, and if the poll is to be "accurate", we should all consider the "generic" plane, rather than a specific model.

Hooray! I agree with Doug too. Sir Geoffrey De Havilland and his team could be as visionary as anyone, and the Vampire (and subsequent aircraft bearing the DH twin booms) was another of his masterstrokes (thinking DH88 Comet, Albatross, Mosquito, DH 106 Comet etc, DH 108 - possibly the first aircraft to go supersonic, albeit with fatal results...)

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Reply #17 - Jul 14^th, 2005 at 2:48pm

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Hooray! I agree with Doug too. Sir Geoffrey De Havilland and his team could be as visionary as anyone, and the Vampire (and subsequent aircraft bearing the DH twin booms) was another of his masterstrokes (thinking DH88 Comet, Albatross, Mosquito, DH 106 Comet etc, DH 108 - possibly the first aircraft to go supersonic, albeit with fatal results...)

Do you mean to say that de Havilland created more important aircraft than just the DH.53 Hummingbird and DH.114 Heron?

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Reply #18 - Jul 14^th, 2005 at 2:53pm

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Where's the La-5, La-7 and Yak-3?

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Reply #19 - Jul 14^th, 2005 at 2:54pm

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Hooray! I agree with Doug too. Sir Geoffrey De Havilland and his team could be as visionary as anyone, and the Vampire (and subsequent aircraft bearing the DH twin booms) was another of his masterstrokes (thinking DH88 Comet, Albatross, Mosquito, DH 106 Comet etc, DH 108 - possibly the first aircraft to go supersonic, albeit with fatal results...)

I don't deny that many British post-WWII aircraft owed a lot to German research but these were developed AFTER data & actual examples of the aircraft had been recovered & evaluated. Allied intelligence teams were waiting to go in directly after the invading troops & before anything of importance had been destroyed - or pinched from under their noses by one of the other Allies. The DH.108 Swallow was definitely influenced by the Me 163 Komet. IMHO

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Reply #20 - Jul 14^th, 2005 at 2:55pm

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Where's the La-5, La-7 and Yak-3?

<hehe> FIRST you decide between the 8 planes above, then round 2 is between another 8 planes, and so on....

WHy do you leave out the Yak-9, Pe-2, Li-2?

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Reply #21 - Jul 14^th, 2005 at 3:10pm

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Yak-3 and Yak-9 are from the same family tree
La-5, La-7 and La-9 are from the same family tree

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Reply #22 - Jul 15^th, 2005 at 1:52pm

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Gotta go with Mustang. War winner; straight from Goering's mouth.

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Reply #23 - Jul 16^th, 2005 at 7:01am

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PS. I still can't figure out why we're restricted to the Spitfire Mk XIV in this poll. ??? It didn't enter servce until 1944. Could this be based on the default aircraft in CFS3?

No, the default CFS3 Spit is a very nasty MkIXc and an even nastier LF MkIXe. I will not even begin to say what's wrong with them and how bad they are Wink

MkXIV Spit turned up in early '44 but was held in ADGB with the Tempest untill September so although it is my favorite Spitfire I would say the MkIX was the best wartime Spitfire.

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Reply #24 - Jul 16^th, 2005 at 11:35am

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War winner; straight from Goering's mouth.

No kidding, don't get me wrong but the P-51 is great and helped win the war alot, but didn't dumb things come out of his mouth?

Personally I voted P-47.

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Reply #25 - Jul 21^st, 2005 at 10:01am

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I heard somewhere on tv that statistically, the best fighter of wwII was the Republic P-47 because it had the most kills with the least deaths, And it had the least number of losses.

It is a massive plane. There is this museum in ny that I go to when Im there that has one on display, and It is a very large aircraft Shocked

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Reply #26 - Jul 21^st, 2005 at 12:18pm

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I heard somewhere on tv that statistically, the best fighter of wwII was the Republic P-47 because it had the most kills with the least deaths, And it had the least number of losses.

Statistically speaking P-47s (Thunderbolt MkI & II) had the lowest loss rate of any serving RAF type during WW2, but then the RAF only used them in the far east, apart from an OTU in Egyipt.
We've had this debate before and I always thought that the Hellcat was the highest scoring allied type.

Question: Whats the best WWII Europian Airplane

North American P-51D Mustang 2 (14.2%)
Submarine Spitfire (All sorts) 4 (28.5%)
Hawker Typhoon IB 0 (0%)
Messhershmitt BF-109 2 (14.2%)
Focke-Wulf Fw 190D-9 1 (7.1%)
Ilyushin IL-2m3 Sturmovik 1 (7.1%)
Republic P-47D Thunderbolt 4 (28.5%)
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3 0 (0%)

Total votes: 14

PS, I always thought it was Supermarine Spitfire, not Submarine Spitfire Wink

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Reply #27 - Jul 22^nd, 2005 at 11:10am

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We've had this debate before and I always thought that the Hellcat was the highest scoring allied type.

About 6500 was it not...?

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Reply #28 - Jul 22^nd, 2005 at 11:50am

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About 6500 was it not...?

Something like that.

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Reply #29 - Aug 2^nd, 2005 at 11:57am

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"Submarine Spitfire (All sorts)"

Something tells me that in the poll that is supposed to be Supermarine Spitfire. (unless its a spitfire that goes underwater Cheesy

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