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Jul 8th, 2005 at 9:55am

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'Lo all!

I've put up with this long enough - it's been with me right since I installed the sim first time.

At least 60-70% of all AI aircraft in my sim fly in tandem. I generally ignore it; but it makes takeoffs and landings at major airports a bloody nightmare with one or the other being constantly sent around. Landing at JFK is like playing roulette.

Is there a way to delete one set of AI flight plans? I know nothing at all about this part of the files.

Thanks.
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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 10:07am

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If you are having trouble with AI you can turn down the number of aircraft in your settings. I normally run 75% which provides enough AI to keep thing interesting but not in the way while taking off or landing.
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 11:20am

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"I know nothing at all about this part of the files." Under these circumstances I'd recommend not deleting anything (cut and paste the *.bgl files to a backup folder may prove to be more benificial) Are you certain they are duplicates and not just several flights using the same aircraft?  Hope this helps.
 

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Reply #3 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 12:41pm

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my 2002 started this months ago and I don't know why either ... or how to correct it w/o uninstalling fs2002. most aggravating is two red call signs showing for many "flights" AND ATC talking to both of them  Embarrassed
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Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 1:06pm

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I have had this same problem since using FS2002, and also with having recently installed FS2004 - it seems the planes all congregate 5-10 min into the flight, if I hang around the departing airport long enough. Furthermore, it seems to occur at any airport. If anyone finds a fix, it would be great news...
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 10th, 2005 at 4:12pm

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Duplicate flights: This can happen when you install additional traffic and the author has used the default flightplans as his template,  just replacing the default commercial ai a/c with real world ai a/c.

FS2004: locate the '....Scenery\World\scenery' folder. FS2004 will recognize multiple 'traffic*.bgl files. 'Traffic030528.bgl' is the default file. You may find other files with names like Traffic_USA.bgl, Traffic_Europe.bgl, etc. To de-activate any of the files rename by changing the file name extension, i.e 'Traffic_USA.disabled'. By manipulating the file names you can determine which flightplan(s) give you the best result. You must restart FS for the changes to take effect.

FS2002: locate '....SCENEDB\ATC\Scenery'. FS2002 only recognizes 1 traffic file, named 'traffic.bgl',  If this file has been changed (done using TTools), giving you duplicate flights,  a back-up of the default file named 'Traffic_ORIGINAL.bbb' will exist in the same folder. Rename the 'traffic.bgl' file (you should at least change the extension) and then rename the back-up to 'traffic.bgl'. You'll  have default flights back.

Conjestion: When you start a new flight (Fly Now) both Sims place all ai flights that were scheduled to depart in the 15 minutes prior to your start time at the gates/parking, if there's room. These a/c now all want to depart  causing the backlog. If the airport has only 1 active things can really slow down, with some a/c disappearing while in the que...... Angry .

The only solution I know of is to reduce the ai traffic until your away, or depart without clearance.  Wink

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« Last Edit: Jul 17th, 2005 at 6:54am by dave3cu »  

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Reply #6 - Jul 10th, 2005 at 5:42pm

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well, i figure that is where the duplicates came from ... but how to relieve the situation and KEEP all tht i have added myself??
There are thousands of flight plans in there.
those who upload plans for us to download should be a wee bit more careful ... or selective. guess I'll trust only my own from now on.
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2005 at 12:19pm

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I deleted the default FS traffic file and am running just the airlines I added and still duplicates. I swear 4 out of 5 planes is duplicated 2 or more times.

I am wondering if duplicates could be from the fact I'm running airline traffic AI files such as 'Delta' and 'South West' but I also am running 'TrafficUSA' which includes these airlines as well. If each program shows the exact same flight path at the same time could it cause duplicates?

I think I may start by turning them all off and then turning on the traffic files one by one...when i get time anyway.
 

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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2005 at 8:50pm

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Thanks much all, I'll try out your suggestions and let you know. Smiley
 

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Reply #9 - Jul 14th, 2005 at 7:46am

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Quote:
I am wondering if duplicates could be from the fact I'm running airline traffic AI files such as 'Delta' and 'South West' but I also am running 'TrafficUSA' which includes these airlines as well. If each program shows the exact same flight path at the same time could it cause duplicates?


For FS2004:

Yup, thats your problem. TrafficUSA uses the default traffic file as its template. At least one of the others must have done so also.

A handy tool for for working with ai is the MS FS2004 Traffic Toolbox SDK:
http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulator/fs2004_downloads_sdk.asp#traffic

Once installed, a new flight screen "Tools" menu is available. With the 'Explorer' function you can sort thru all active ai flights, in this case, to locate duplicates. (If you right-click the column header bar you can select 'file path' and the traffic file names will be displayed).

The Explorer is best used from  FS windowed mode, Alt+Enter to toggle.

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Reply #10 - Jul 15th, 2005 at 5:52pm

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I've seen this in my FS9 a few times too, only it was with Cessnas instead of commercial traffic.  I occasionally see formations of two and somtimes three 182s flying very close together.  I haven't a clue what would do this, because I haven't installed any addon GA traffic.
 

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Reply #11 - Jul 16th, 2005 at 6:51pm

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Quote:
I've seen this in my FS9 a few times too, only it was with Cessnas instead of commercial traffic.  I occasionally see formations of two and somtimes three 182s flying very close together.  I haven't a clue what would do this, because I haven't installed any addon GA traffic.


This is, as mentioned above, because  one or more of your addons is an edit of the default traffic file, with all the  flights (airline and GA) left in the file. Only the airline liveries have been changed. This type of addon ai traffic is best used as replacement for the default traffic file, rather than additional traffic. (Unless you dont mind seeing formation flying  Wink or gridlock at airports  Tongue )

For additional airline traffic, without duplicate flights, look for downloads that are 'advertised' as real world schedules. The author creates these from scratch so dup's should not be a problem.

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