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Jul 6th, 2005 at 1:00pm

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Hi guys,

I downloaded an AN-124 (by Rob Hotchkiss), to use as AI.  The plane shows up parked on the ramp but refuses to make any movement at all.  The arrival and departure times were dialled in by adding flightplans to TTools.  Several flights were made at around the expected departure times and the aircraft stayed put.  However, when flying a few minutes past the expected departure time, the aircraft simply disappeared, and was not seen on the radar screen (it doesn't seem likely than an AN-124 could get >40nm out within a minute or two).  The main thing is, it's great to have this beast sitting on the ramp as seen here in real life, but it would be even better to see it arrive/depart! Anyone have any ideas on this, would be appreciated.
 

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Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 2:06pm

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Hi CAF.........has this plane been added to the Aircraft030528.text file and given a number?........if yes, then that number aircraft would have to be incorporated into an appropriate flightplan in the FlightPlans030528.text file and compiled in Ttools...............commoner Smiley
 

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Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 3:11pm

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Best solution

get antonov.zip from avsim.com, that includes flightplans.

For the aircraft
http://www.avsim.ru/files.phtml?search=an-124&folder=0&ignore_folder=32&minratin...

And get the An-124 by Kryzstof Malinovski (my polish is bad every day...)
 

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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2005 at 1:14am

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Thanks, seems I forgot that the times input into the flightplans.txt document need to be switched around (read it in Lee Swordy's how-to for TTools).  Turns out I was looking for the aircraft at the wrong time of day.  Still haven't managed to get the big jet to land, but have seen it taking off several times today... Smiley
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2005 at 2:48am

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Thanks, seems I forgot that the times input into the flightplans.txt document need to be switched around (read it in Lee Swordy's how-to for TTools).  Turns out I was looking for the aircraft at the wrong time of day.  Still haven't managed to get the big jet to land, but have seen it taking off several times today... Smiley


...Hi CAF.......where is it going to when it takes off? You could edit the Flightplans.text to get it to take off and fly around then LAND at "your" airport which might give you a better effect.....and change the times to suit you also.........unless that is what it is supposed to do already.......commoner Wink
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2005 at 3:27pm

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Many thanks Commoner - I spent a good part of yesterday (lol) trying to sort this out, as along with the accurate AN-124 flightplans, the Antonov sometimes makes multiple visits here.  An extra flightplan from CYEG to UWLW was threfore manually added.  Even with two aircraft appearing Wednesdays, I still cannot see either one touch down - the closest it comes is to circle above the airport, gear down, then after about 10 min it seems to become "fed up" and begins climbing and heading out of the area.  Maybe there are too many other AI around, although it doesn't seem to be overly busy at the scheduled arrival times.  Am happy with the end result - here is a shot of the Antonov departing Edmonton with our Police chopper pilots watching at a good vantage point, and another of the Antonov being "intercepted" on it's way inbound.

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Reply #6 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 1:02am

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Hi CAF....cool shots...glad your happy....commoner Wink
 

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Reply #7 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 7:47am
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Probably won't land because there are insufficient parking spaces with big enough radius. Or the runway could be too short for the air file being used.
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 11:38am

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Good to hear you got your mojo workin', Caf I use MS Traffic Toolbox SDK to view all FS9, AI traffic (in windowed mode) It's FREE.

Also, to test new traffic_new.bgl files simply make small ones using TTools; e.g.,

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Hope this helps.
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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 12:02pm

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Radius should be set to 50m with the PAI parking manager tool.

If the thing still refuses to land, get the UNNT Traffic package from avsim.ru
 

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Reply #10 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 1:10pm

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Thanks All,

I set the parking size to 250 ft and also tried out widening the parking connecting link to 200 ft just to make sure the aircraft has enough room to get around.  Once again, the aircraft does show up parked there, and will depart properly, it just won't land.  The runway is 11000 ft long.  Maybe it's the special "stealth" version of the AN-124 that I downloaded.   Grin  I'll give these latest suggestions a try.
 

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Reply #11 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 5:51pm
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Ahh...

I'm checking this out right now and I've found something which may also apply for you. I've set my FPlan to repeat every 24 hours. Unless you set the aircraft speed at 400kts or more, the distance between these two airports is such that there is insufficient time for a landing, turnround and takeoff. So the plane won't land, it'll just circle and fly back again.

Also, even if you do set the speed high enough, unless you set your takeoff times very carefully, you won't allow enough time on the ground after the initial landing (40 mins) for a turnround. Then again, the plane will circle and fly back again without landing.
 
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Reply #12 - Jul 8th, 2005 at 7:16pm
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I used the 2002 AN-124 by  Krzysztof Malinowski for my AI because it's a nice small model that's good visually but still OK on FR. Couple of minor texture issues - from the rear the engine cowlings go transparent from some angles and there's a bit of flicker on the cockpit glass. But it's fine for an AI plane.

Just used the original air and cfg files - contact points need adjusting as main gear is just off the ground and nose gear a bit below.

But it performed just great. Here are some pics landing at UWLW at 07.44 GMT after departing CYEG at 22.05

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So whether your problem is to do with the plane you're using, your TTools setup or your flight plan timings as mentioned before I don't know, but as you see, it can be done.

Another reason for not landing can be because you set your FPlan altitude too high. As a rule of thumb you can't use real life alts - if you use too big a figure the plane arrives too high at its destination and goes missed.

BTW I've just watched a landing on Rwy 2 at Edmonton - perfect, pulled up with full flaps and airbrakes..................and then it disappeared. Probably the default AFCAD for CYEG has parking problems as originally mentioned for this plane ie not enough vacant spots and/or not a big enough radius avaialble.
 
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Reply #13 - Jul 9th, 2005 at 7:07am

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Get a decent AFCAD for Ulyanovsk... Being the contruction plant for the Tu-204, it's the homebase of 80% of the An-124s that are used for domestic cargo flights.
 

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Reply #14 - Jul 9th, 2005 at 12:20pm

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Nice screens, RB

. . . and don't forget the most-common reason AI don't land (any type): the sim has not been run for a sufficient amount of time (10 minutes). Many FS9, AI aircraft go missed until FS9 "settles down".
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Reply #15 - Jul 9th, 2005 at 1:16pm
RollerBall   Ex Member

 
Thanks Bill.

Something else I found today. I have what was at the time (haven't checked lately..) a complete PAI install. I decided to put some more parking into CYEG to stop the AN-124 disappearing after landing. Every time I added a new gate and checked (at my landing time of approx 13.20 GMT) either another WestJet 737 or Air Canada Airbus appeared  Smiley

So that explained it. Added several more heavy and medium gates amongst others and eventually got a free Heavy/Cargo one down near what I take to be a warehouse at the southern end to the right of rwy 2. Ideal  Wink

Then I watched the 124 come in from UWLW from about 20000 ft right through approach, landing, taxy and engine off. Very impressive.

So there you go. This is why I like AI so much - it's fun finding out why it doesn't work and great when you make it do what you want.

If you're interested, here are my TTools details

AC#5511,405,"AN124 AI"

AC#5511,82009,1%,24Hr,IFR,14:02:00,00:50:59,215,R,7251,UWLW,02:06:48,13:25:47,23
5,R,7252,CYEG
AC#5511,62059,1%,24Hr,IFR,10:14:53,21:03:52,235,R,7253,CYEG,22:05:47,07:44:46,21
5,R,7254,UWLW
 
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Reply #16 - Jul 9th, 2005 at 4:26pm

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Thanks for all of the info, you really do learn something new everyday, I'll try those flightplans posted by Rollerball and give it a go.
 

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Reply #17 - Jul 9th, 2005 at 4:31pm
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I'll try those flightplans posted by Rollerball and give it a go.


Be very interested to hear how it goes.

Don't forget to make the speed of your plane 405 in your aircraft.txt file otherwise your plans won't compile the same as mine. Anything much slower and you'll have turnround problems between flights.
 
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