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Jun 25th, 2005 at 9:03pm
Jakemaster   Ex Member

 
Me and my pop started looking for a new computer today.

We went to circuit city, and heres one of the pcs we found

Emachines somethin or other with:
AMD Athalon 64 3000
512MB DDR SDRAM
200GB Hard Drive
128MB ATI Radeon X200 Graphics card
DVD-R/RW Drive/burner

All of this, with windows XP of course, for 450 Dollars Shocked

I thought that was great, but of course my dad wants to look around.  Everything else at that price has Celerons or Semprons, so I really want to get that machine to replace the Piece o' S*** that I have now.

I, and my dad, were wondering what AMD processers compared to what Intel processors, as in

Intel Pentium 4 - AMD ?
Intel Celeron - AMD ?
Intel Celeron D - AMD?
 
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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 3:14am

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Hi Jake,

That PC for 450 smackers is, in my mind, a great deal. It'll handle FS9 well and with a 64 bit processor you can't go wrong.

BTW,

Intel P4 - AMD Athlon 64
Intel Pentium D - AMD Athlon X2
Intel Celero - AMD Sempron

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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 9:19am

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It's a decent PC except for the integrated video. You will probably want to get a good addin card for gaming (and possibly another 512 of RAM) -- so double your price for that rig.  Wink
 

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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 3:37pm

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It's a decent PC except for the integrated video. You will probably want to get a good addin card for gaming (and possibly another 512 of RAM) -- so double your price for that rig.  Wink

If your running at a budget, building your own PC is your best option to get the best possible "Bang for Buck" if you see what I mean.....

Agreed,
E-Machines are not the worlds best pre-assembled PC !  Wink, however, double the price? thats Roughly, £495 UK, yes that would certainly get a better spec PC, but if double the price isn't an option, then he needs to consider his PC's spec a little better.

For FS9, you need to seriously consider Graphics capability, an X200 is not upto FS2002, never mind FS2004 !

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AMD Sempron 2800+ 1.60GHz (Socket 754) CPU - Retail (CP-124-AM)
£46.95 £46.95
Gigabyte GA-K8VT800M Micro ATX (Socket 754) Motherboard (MB-025-GI)
£39.95 £39.95
OcUK Value 512MB PC3200 184pin DDR Memory (MY-002-OK)
£23.95 £23.95
Connect3D ATI Radeon 9550 256MB DDR TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (GX-026-CO)
£36.95 £36.95
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus NCQ 80GB ST380817AS SATA 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-003-SE)
£32.95 £32.95
LG GDR-8163BB 16x DVD-Drive - OEM (CD-015-LG)
£13.20 £13.20
OcUK Value Estar Benz Case Silver With 350W PSU (CA-001-ES)
£24.95 £24.95
Subtotal £218.90
VAT £38.31
Total £257.21

Roughly, $450 US I believe,but, you still won't get great performance from FS9, it'll be 100% better than that E-Machine ,though, I promise you. Wink

Be warned however, the card, despite being a 256MB one will not perform that well, especially with FS9 imo.

The rough US cost of that card is $75, you REALLY need to add at least $100 to that price, for which, you will get an ATI 9800 Pro 128MB,  that'll certainly give very good FS( performance, I'm sure plenty of 9800 owners would confirm this don't be fooled as its only 128MB, its still MUCH faster than the 256MB 9550.

I fully appreciate cost is a major factor, but when your spending such a sum already and, your main factor is FS9 performance, then frankly, skimping on the most crucial component for FS, i.e. the Graphics card, is madness.

Seriously consider budgeting more for the card, you won't regret the extra investment , I promise you.

I hope this is of help, I used www.overclockers.co.uk , my local PC store for prices, and converted them to USD $, via http://www.xe.com/ucc/ , Universal Currency Converter, so apologies if my £ - USD conversions are out.

Note also, you'd still need to purchase a copy of XP, for the time being, I'd use your existing Operating system which I assume is Windows '98, whilst saving for XP.

The end result will be a better spec PC that you've spread the cost of. Well, its what I'd do anyway.


Paul.


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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 5:13pm

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Me and my pop started looking for a new computer today.

We went to circuit city, and heres one of the pcs we found

Emachines somethin or other with:
AMD Athalon 64 3000
512MB DDR SDRAM
200GB Hard Drive
128MB ATI Radeon X200 Graphics card
DVD-R/RW Drive/burner

All of this, with windows XP of course, for 450 Dollars Shocked

I thought that was great, but of course my dad wants to look around.  Everything else at that price has Celerons or Semprons, so I really want to get that machine to replace the Piece o' S*** that I have now.

I, and my dad, were wondering what AMD processers compared to what Intel processors, as in

Intel Pentium 4 - AMD ?
Intel Celeron - AMD ?
Intel Celeron D - AMD?


That computer wont' handle fs2004 or any current generation game. DOn't get me wrong, its a great deal for a comp with its specs. An athlon64 is much better than any Celeron or seperon. But still, don't exspect any 3d performence from any current generation game.

The video card is much to trashy to do anything. You'll have to replace it. You might want to upgrade the RAM as well.

Here are CPU specs:
Intel Pentium 4-AMD athlon 64.
Intel Celeron-AMD seperon
Intel Pentium 4 EE- AMD athlon64 FX
Intel Pentium D-AMD Athlon64 X2

Now the celoron D is a special. Its a dual core chip, but its performence is severely hampered. Try to aviod celerons. BTW, AMD has no equivalent cheapo diet dual core.

The celeron series and seperon series are diet CPU's. Their cache and soemtimes bus speed has been reduced. Aviod them as they offer inferior performence.

Unless you do video encoding (or the like), stick with AMD CPU's.
 

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Reply #5 - Jun 29th, 2005 at 11:41pm

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What ever happened to socket style and chipset?

AMD 64 has too many variations to simply state it as a spec.

Socket 754 or 939? Because 754 is inferior in many ways. Hence a very cheap price tag.

Chipset choice is paramount, and most chipsets that provide onboard graphic "solutions" are an utter pain in the posterior, and never perform as well even if an addon graphics card is implemented.

For the most part, the XP number of AMD cpu's is roughly equivalent to the P4 eqivalent.

So a XP3000+ is like a 3.0ghz P4.

Semprons are roughly the same cpu as XP's, sharing a common core but with reduced L2 cache. The cache deficit has very little impact on performance, making the Sempron good value on some platforms.

Semprons are not made for the high end socket 939 based AMD 64bit systems, which you should be aiming at, based on a nForce4 SLI or ultra chipset.

I dare say that PC is worth every cent, and not a penny more.

 

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Reply #6 - Jun 30th, 2005 at 1:17am

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Please do yourself a favor and do not buy an emachines.... You may ask me why, and well its a long story I reinstalled windows some 20+ times, had more errors then you'd believe.... the comp I had was 600 knocked down with rebates to like 3-400 dollars..... might be cheap, but that is ALL it is cheaply made and not for any gameing...... I'd reckon building a computer yourself, or have one built that way you'll know what it can and can't do  Grin Cheers, Gunny

EDIT: I still have the  original CD-Rom, 900Mhz Celeron processer, the CD_RW Burner we added, the hard drive, and some other stuff from it, I even had the ram till I snapped it in half  Roll Eyes
 

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