Simviation Forum - The Falklands remain British (OK Felix!)

Jun 14^th, 2005 at 3:41pm

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Well the Falklands cease-fire officially started on this day in 1982. I remember it well as my cousin was a Royal Marine in 40 Commando fighting there.
So another little bit of history

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Reply #1 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 4:47pm

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Can't believe it was that long ago. How time flies. I remember it as if it were yesterday.

PS. I was still married in 1982. Shocked

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Reply #2 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 4:51pm

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And five years later I was born!
Surely the best peice of history! Grin

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Reply #3 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 5:08pm

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Hm, a nice and mostly clean war, as I call it.

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Reply #4 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 7:11pm

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Happy Falklands cease-fire day 8)

Clean war indeed, no civilian casualties I think, is that correct?

Wasn't 40 Commando the unit which saw one of its Seargeants get a VC after he charged a machine gun nest all by himself?

What I won't ever understand is the point of doing the Vulcan bomb run. The logistics behind that operation are ridiculous ??? Shocked

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Reply #5 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 7:59pm

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What I won't ever understand is the point of doing the Vulcan bomb run. The logistics behind that operation are ridiculous ??? Shocked

It was the "last chance" to get the Vulcan to drop bombs in anger ....

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Reply #6 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 1:58am

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Are any of you American?

We are all glad you won the war and all and after recent events we're hardly ones to give military advice but we all thought you would give these God forsaken islands to the Argentenians after a reasonable amount of time. They have no conceivable mercantile, political or military positions.

Maybe it's in Queen Elizabeth's will.

But, as I said, I'm an American, and recent events involving my government do not leave me in a position to criticise yours.

Thank you for your considerations. I am sorry that people on both sides had to die over this issue,

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Reply #7 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 3:59am

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Are any of you American?

We are all glad you won the war and all and after recent events we're hardly ones to give military advice but we all thought you would give these God forsaken islands to the Argentenians after a reasonable amount of time. They have no conceivable mercantile, political or military positions.

Interesting to see how others feel about this. If, as you say, there is no strategic value to these islands what was the dispute all about in the first place? I'm sure there are military & political reasons that I don't know about but this is the official attitude by the British government. http://www.army.mod.uk/aroundtheworld/flk/
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The British Government however has no doubts as to their British sovereignty, as Britain has continuously administered the islands since 1833 and the population consider themselves to be entirely British

It seems perfectly clear to me that if the people living on the tiniest & remotest island wish to live peacefully under British rule without posing a threat to anyone they should be allowed to do so. From what I've heard it's a pretty desolate place & life there has always been hard. I'm sure that it's changed dramatically (not for the better) since the events of 1982. I believe that the military presence has outnumbered the civilian population ever since.

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I am sorry that people on both sides had to die over this issue,

So are we all but this is the price of democracy & freedom.

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Reply #8 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:44am

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The VC was won by Sgt. Ian McKay of 2 Para if I remember correctly, Colonel H. Jones of 2 Para also won a VC.

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Reply #9 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:45am

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Apparently there's oil near the islands. Might be just another conspiracy theory though Roll Eyes

Fact of the matter is though, there's Britons living there who wish to remain British. Case closed in my eyes.

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The VC was won by Sgt. Ian McKay of 2 Para if I remember correctly, Colonel H. Jones of 2 Para also won a VC.

Ah ok, must have messed up my troops then. They all did a great job down there, considering the situation.

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Reply #10 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:49am

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The VC was won by Sgt. Ian McKay of 2 Para if I remember correctly

3 Para. http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Ian:McKay.html

Both VCs were posthumous.

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Reply #11 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:54am

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Thanks Doug, I was going from memory there (and I haven't had a cup of tea yet so the braincell isn't up to speed) Wink

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Reply #12 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 5:25am

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What I won't ever understand is the point of doing the Vulcan bomb run. The logistics behind that operation are ridiculous ??? Shocked

I suspect it was to send a subtle message. If so, it succeeded. Quote:

While any damage caused was more to Argentine morale than Argentine installations, the message sent to Buenos Aires - you are not out of range - was obviously one that was heeded, because many Argentine fighters were kept back from the Falklands to defend against a possible attack on Argentina.

Interesting account of the Vulcan 'Black Buck' missions here. http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/vulcan/history.html

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We are all glad you won the war and all and after recent events we're hardly ones to give military advice but we all thought you would give these God forsaken islands to the Argentenians after a reasonable amount of time. They have no conceivable mercantile, political or military positions.

There are several reasons for keeping the Falklands. Firstly the population there want to remain under British rule. Secondly, by trying to take them by force the Argentine pretty much ruled out getting them back though negotiation. And thirdly I believe that having control of the islands lets Britain have a say in what's done in Antarctica.

However, like Gibralter I'm inclined to say that if the people living there want to remain British it's not very democratic just to give them to another country however close it may be. Tongue

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Reply #15 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 6:49pm

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Most of its been covered, and as has been said, the population of the Island is almost to a man (and woman) British, and have always expressed a wish to stay that way.

From what I've studied in the past the Argentines never really had an interest in the Malvina's until the last century (by which time I think both the French and the UK had held sovereignty). I think the turning point may have been the possible chance of oil around the South Atlantic. I think they blew any chance of ever negotiaiting any change in sovereignty in 1982, and again, what is the attraction, considering the residents are British, and the Island is heavily mined (1982) and quite desolate.

The point of the massive undertaking of the Vulcan raids was not to create damage (initially - although the later raids were aimed at SAM sites), but to let the military Junta in Buenos Aires know that the Task Force was not alone Down South, and that the RAF could and would mount strategic and tactical operations from ultra long range if the situation dictated. Maybe more importantly, it showed that Buenos Aires itself was in striking distance from Acsension, and force the Argentine Air Force to move a proportion of its fighter force further north to protect the capital, giving the Harriers of the RAF and the FAA Sea Harriers less of a headache over the Islands...

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The only thing the Thatcher Governmet ever got right Wink

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The Falklands Conflict was a wake up call to remind the world that we did'nt build an empire by being a group of pushovers!

The things I hate about the UK.

The Labour government, membership of the EU, political correctness, stealth taxes, the war on the motorist and a totally ineffective Police Force.

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See? I now hate you as we have opposing political views! Angry

There is a very good reason why Politics is banned here, it starts fights.

P.S., I don't hate you, but I'm sure you get my point. Wink

BTW, Like her or not, Margaret Thatcher did one hell of alot for the UK, not for nothing does Tony Blair himself admire her.

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BTW, Like her or not, Margaret Thatcher did one hell of alot for the UK,

Yes, she put most of my family and freinds out of work and onto the scrap heap for many years, destroyed my community and left many folk I know without any hope for the future. Nice one Maggie.

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Reply #18 - Jun 16^th, 2005 at 11:41am

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The other side says that she brought the british economy back on track in return.

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Reply #19 - Jun 16^th, 2005 at 1:49pm

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That's right heretic.

Please, hawker quit the politics. Roll Eyes

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Please, hawker quit the politics. Roll Eyes

You cannot discuss history without talking politics. Tongue

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Stop being funny... you know precisely what the rules are. Wink

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Stop being funny... you know precisely what the rules are. Wink

Yup. But I'm beginning to wonder whether you really do. Tongue

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For one minute, forget what the mods say.

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I have a picture of HMS Glamorgan taken in Hamilton Harbour Bermuda shortly after it returned to service after it was battle damaged by an Exocet on the stbd side...you can still see some damage to the hull plates.

I also had the distinct honour of doing an impromptu "combat turnaround" on some Harrier GR3's that had been enroute to CFB Cold Lake for a Maple Flag exercise. They transited through CFB North Bay while I was in aircraft servicing there.

I have a couple of pics I could scan if anyone is interested...it will have to wait for my next days-off to find...but they are available.

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I have a couple of pics I could scan if anyone is interested...it will have to wait for my next days-off to find...but they are available.

I'm interested in seeing those piccys! Wink

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Harriers or Glamorgan...or both?

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Reply #27 - Jun 20^th, 2005 at 4:20am

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BOTH!

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Reply #28 - Jun 20^th, 2005 at 8:03pm

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got some pics from there when my dad was serving aboard Argus and the island. I have posted them before but would be happy to again if wanted. Various post war shots of torn up pucaras, and the island from the air.

I do find it ironic how a bunch of people who were not even old enough to understand what was going on at the time of the thatcher era, are all arguing about the job she did. Read about it all you want in history books, and hear from people directly around all you want but there are two sides to her time in office. a large proportion of those are horror stories. Thankfully we wernt

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Reply #29 - Jun 21^st, 2005 at 5:51pm

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Post the shots Craig or just bang in a link - I'd love to see them.

Cheers,

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Reply #30 - Jun 21^st, 2005 at 8:07pm

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i'll have to re-scan them as they would have likely been deleted in the last database clean up here.
http://myaviation.net/?pid=00114366
Thats one of his shots from the air.
will look through the shots tomorrow.

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Reply #31 - Jun 23^rd, 2005 at 12:42am

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I posted my shots in seperate threads due to size considerations. See Falklands Pics and Falklands Pics2.

Surprised me...I thought the shots of Glamorgan were the Stbd side...they're actually port midships.

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