Simviation Forum - The Falklands remain British (OK Felix!)

Jun 14^th, 2005 at 3:41pm

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Well the Falklands cease-fire officially started on this day in 1982. I remember it well as my cousin was a Royal Marine in 40 Commando fighting there.
So another little bit of history

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Reply #1 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 4:47pm

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Can't believe it was that long ago. How time flies. I remember it as if it were yesterday.

PS. I was still married in 1982. Shocked

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Reply #2 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 4:51pm

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Reply #3 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 5:08pm

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Hm, a nice and mostly clean war, as I call it.

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Reply #4 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 7:11pm

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Happy Falklands cease-fire day 8)

Clean war indeed, no civilian casualties I think, is that correct?

Wasn't 40 Commando the unit which saw one of its Seargeants get a VC after he charged a machine gun nest all by himself?

What I won't ever understand is the point of doing the Vulcan bomb run. The logistics behind that operation are ridiculous ??? Shocked

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Reply #5 - Jun 14^th, 2005 at 7:59pm

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What I won't ever understand is the point of doing the Vulcan bomb run. The logistics behind that operation are ridiculous ??? Shocked

It was the "last chance" to get the Vulcan to drop bombs in anger ....

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Reply #6 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 1:58am

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Are any of you American?

We are all glad you won the war and all and after recent events we're hardly ones to give military advice but we all thought you would give these God forsaken islands to the Argentenians after a reasonable amount of time. They have no conceivable mercantile, political or military positions.

Maybe it's in Queen Elizabeth's will.

But, as I said, I'm an American, and recent events involving my government do not leave me in a position to criticise yours.

Thank you for your considerations. I am sorry that people on both sides had to die over this issue,

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Reply #7 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 3:59am

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Are any of you American?

We are all glad you won the war and all and after recent events we're hardly ones to give military advice but we all thought you would give these God forsaken islands to the Argentenians after a reasonable amount of time. They have no conceivable mercantile, political or military positions.

Interesting to see how others feel about this. If, as you say, there is no strategic value to these islands what was the dispute all about in the first place? I'm sure there are military & political reasons that I don't know about but this is the official attitude by the British government. http://www.army.mod.uk/aroundtheworld/flk/
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The British Government however has no doubts as to their British sovereignty, as Britain has continuously administered the islands since 1833 and the population consider themselves to be entirely British

It seems perfectly clear to me that if the people living on the tiniest & remotest island wish to live peacefully under British rule without posing a threat to anyone they should be allowed to do so. From what I've heard it's a pretty desolate place & life there has always been hard. I'm sure that it's changed dramatically (not for the better) since the events of 1982. I believe that the military presence has outnumbered the civilian population ever since.

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I am sorry that people on both sides had to die over this issue,

So are we all but this is the price of democracy & freedom.

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Reply #8 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:44am

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The VC was won by Sgt. Ian McKay of 2 Para if I remember correctly, Colonel H. Jones of 2 Para also won a VC.

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Reply #9 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:45am

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Apparently there's oil near the islands. Might be just another conspiracy theory though Roll Eyes

Fact of the matter is though, there's Britons living there who wish to remain British. Case closed in my eyes.

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The VC was won by Sgt. Ian McKay of 2 Para if I remember correctly, Colonel H. Jones of 2 Para also won a VC.

Ah ok, must have messed up my troops then. They all did a great job down there, considering the situation.

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Reply #10 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:49am

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The VC was won by Sgt. Ian McKay of 2 Para if I remember correctly

3 Para. http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Ian:McKay.html

Both VCs were posthumous.

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Reply #11 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 4:54am

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Thanks Doug, I was going from memory there (and I haven't had a cup of tea yet so the braincell isn't up to speed) Wink

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Reply #12 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 5:25am

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What I won't ever understand is the point of doing the Vulcan bomb run. The logistics behind that operation are ridiculous ??? Shocked

I suspect it was to send a subtle message. If so, it succeeded. Quote:

While any damage caused was more to Argentine morale than Argentine installations, the message sent to Buenos Aires - you are not out of range - was obviously one that was heeded, because many Argentine fighters were kept back from the Falklands to defend against a possible attack on Argentina.

Interesting account of the Vulcan 'Black Buck' missions here. http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/vulcan/history.html

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Reply #13 - Jun 15^th, 2005 at 11:15am

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We are all glad you won the war and all and after recent events we're hardly ones to give military advice but we all thought you would give these God forsaken islands to the Argentenians after a reasonable amount of time. They have no conceivable mercantile, political or military positions.

There are several reasons for keeping the Falklands. Firstly the population there want to remain under British rule. Secondly, by trying to take them by force the Argentine pretty much ruled out getting them back though negotiation. And thirdly I believe that having control of the islands lets Britain have a say in what's done in Antarctica.

However, like Gibralter I'm inclined to say that if the people living there want to remain British it's not very democratic just to give them to another country however close it may be. Tongue

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