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Jun 6th, 2005 at 7:03am

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I was just browsing yesterday and came across this site- i was wondering what you guys think

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project319.html
 
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Reply #1 - Jun 6th, 2005 at 9:05am

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<shrug>  the Aurora has been around for some time.  Photos of an alleged sighting (by my omniscient guess) were posted in the "Photos" section here.

My gut feeling is that the SR-71 would not have been "retired" if something better wasn't already either on the drawing board (CAD monitor?) or already in promising test flights.

To think that we were fascinated in the '60s by "spyplane shots" showing blurry finned cylinders alleged to be missles, and now we can download from the Internet photos that show the spacing of the ribs on my pool enclosure!

 

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Reply #2 - Jun 7th, 2005 at 12:53pm

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Myths....

I doubt it exists, technolagy has moved on, and people would rather use satilites that orbit high above, that a a/c thats likely to get shot down..
Or they could use the Miniture Drones....

Another of Amerika's Scary stories..... Phhhh.. Russia here i come.. (to live Wink)
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 7th, 2005 at 2:13pm

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Myths....

I doubt it exists, technolagy has moved on, and people would rather use satilites that orbit high above, that a a/c thats likely to get shot down..
Or they could use the Miniture Drones....

Another of Amerika's Scary stories..... Phhhh.. Russia here i come.. (to live Wink)



Yes, along with missiles will end the need for manned interceptors and bombers, so we won't need the Advanced Lightning nor TSR.2, .....

I see that at a young age you're following K. Philby and Co.
 

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Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2005 at 2:58pm

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I love these sort of things... why make stuff up, life is interesting enough without other peoples strange flights of fancy...
 

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Reply #5 - Jun 7th, 2005 at 3:05pm

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It's likely there's something being designed. We havn't moved on at all. As felix said, it was thought that by the late 1960's UAV technology would be so advanced that manned aircraft would be obsolete, so the EE lightning was a 10 year stopgap model that went on to serve for 40 years because those who said it would become obsolete were wrong.

Good as satellites are you have to wait for them to go over the piece of ground you want to look at and they're a pain in the arse to move about off their orbits. There'll always be a use for Spyplanes and if the SR-71 has been retired then I'll be surprised if there isn't already something that's replaced it.
 

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Reply #6 - Jun 7th, 2005 at 3:54pm

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I don't know why you would be so impressed with this when there are Mach 10 Scramjets out there to play with.  As for Mach 6 AC existing in service, it's possible.  Considering the government to be what it is however, I think there would be more evidence than a few rumors.  Remember the B-2 Bomber?  Revell had a model kit of it available before any sketches of the thing were made public...   Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #7 - Jun 7th, 2005 at 4:15pm

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Good as satellites are you have to wait for them to go over the piece of ground you want to look at and they're a pain in the arse to move about off their orbits. There'll always be a use for Spyplanes and if the SR-71 has been retired then I'll be surprised if there isn't already something that's replaced it.


The current US spyplanes are UAVs and the U-2. Satellites can actually be moved a lot quicker than most people think, and there are enough of them to have them just about anywhere you think something might happen. As the US CoS said - he is interested in one thing - it's called sensor to shooter time - and now they can do it darn quick. The target is to get it under 10 secs I think...

End of conspiracy theorys....

The funny one was the black tarpaulin at Boscombe Down in the mid nineties. Everyone say they'd see "a twinned tailed aircraft" or the "Aurora" crash on the airfield. When the black tarpaulin disappeared, there was the simulated moving deck, used for helicopter trials where it had been. Didn't stop the rumours though. Apparently secret stealth aircraft fly from there every week...
 
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Reply #8 - Jun 9th, 2005 at 7:02pm

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Apparently secret stealth aircraft fly from there every week...
those would be operational apaches and typhoons then Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 11:21am

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The current US spyplanes are UAVs and the U-2. Satellites can actually be moved a lot quicker than most people think, and there are enough of them to have them just about anywhere you think something might happen. As the US CoS said - he is interested in one thing - it's called sensor to shooter time - and now they can do it darn quick. The target is to get it under 10 secs I think...

sattelite paths are known... even when the things can manouver a little they usually are put in such a trajectory that they pass over a few hotspots (China &  CIS, CIS & DPRK, Libya + mideast)

The U2 is used for sigint or in situations where SAM is nonexistant (like in 1991) the thing can already break apart in normal flight quite easyly.

They de-mothballed the SR-71 for the beginning of gulf war #1, as they needed instant pictures of the area(probably not enough camera deflection on the satelite that monitors iran) and expected some resistance (SR-71 files higher and faster compared to the U2 and apart from a big SAM network, iraq had MiG-25P's)

 

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Reply #10 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 12:12pm

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Didnt they re-mothball it again after that?
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 12:47pm

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Yes, but AFAIK they have one or two that can be made active on short notice.
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 1:15pm

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Of course the difference with UAVs is they can quite happily loiter above a battlefield above most conventional air defence systems for many hours without any risk to human life,and with the mission/theatre control systems now available the age of manned recce is numbered. When the RAF's Canberra's leave service in the next couple of years, the manned recce assets available to the US and UK (and NATO) will diminish greatly...

 
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Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 1:57pm

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Of course the difference with UAVs is they can quite happily loiter above a battlefield above most conventional air defence systems for many hours without any risk to human life,and with the mission/theatre control systems now available the age of manned recce is numbered. When the RAF's Canberra's leave service in the next couple of years, the manned recce assets available to the US and UK (and NATO) will diminish greatly...


Isn't this what was said 40 years ago? Grin
 

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