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Reply #45 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:13pm

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you don't see people fleeing the United States via inner tube

That is true, they can afford airline tickets, and personally given the choice between floating in tropical waters or airline lunches I'll enjoy the sea Grin
 

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Reply #46 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:14pm

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I agree with some of the others. NO government is perfect but if communism is so wonderful, how do you explain the fate of the former Soviet Union? And I have been to Cuba and it's very beautiful but  any recent prosperity is due to a thriving tourist industry(that's right....Capitalism). I would argue this point further but can simply put it to bed by saying that "you don't see people fleeing the United States via inner tube."

The Soviet Unions fate is explainable because what existed there was not pure communism. Real communism has no class system, no leaders, everyone is equal and everyone does their bit for the commune. So people with skills don't do their job for money the do it for everyone else because others will be doing the same with their skills.

And the only reason Cuba needs to turn to tourism to thrive is because the US boycotts everything else it tries to do and because Russia can no longer buy all it's sugar. Tongue
 

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Reply #47 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:16pm

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I'm doing my bit, I have at least 2 sugars in every mug of tea Grin
 

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Reply #48 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:21pm
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But without a leader, how is anything going to survive?

Even the smallest snake has a head.
 
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Reply #49 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:21pm

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It's probably sugar left over from the stocks Russia brought from Cuba in the 1960's. Grin
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #50 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:22pm

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But without a leader, how is anything going to survive?

Even the smallest snake has a head.

They survive because everyone looks out for each other. Tongue
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #51 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:27pm

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The Soviet Unions fate is explainable because what existed there was not pure communism. Real communism has no class system, no leaders, everyone is equal and everyone does their bit for the commune. So people with skills don't do their job for money the do it for everyone else because others will be doing the same with their skills.
mmm-hmmm and if the US was a "pure" Democracy, I'd have my own private jet just like Heir Gates.  Roll Eyes
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And the only reason Cuba needs to turn to tourism to thrive is because the US boycotts everything else it tries to do and because Russia can no longer buy all it's sugar. Tongue

Oh, silly me, I thought they stopped the awful naval blockade after the missile crisis. I didn't realize that they weren't allowed to export to the hundreds of other countries that  aren't the United States.
 

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Reply #52 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:32pm

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Oh, silly me, I thought they stopped the awful naval blockade after the missile crisis. I didn't realize that they weren't allowed to export to the hundreds of other countries that  aren't the United States.

And where is Cuba in relation to the US and the rest of the world? And money made in the exportation of goods to the rest of the world would probably be cancelled out in the cost of exporting it in the first place. You try telling some american companies that they cannot sell their goods in America and see how long they last. Tongue
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #53 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:33pm

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Actually if I remember well the US managed to get most of the world to stop buying their stuff, now THAT is what I call marketing Shocked Grin
 

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Reply #54 - May 13th, 2005 at 4:50pm
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There's a common misconception that Cuba equals illegal.

Might I remind you that only the American dollar is prohibited in Cuba.

Americans travel there all the time.  Just not on flights originating from American soil.

Americans spend money there every day.  Just not with their native currency.

Cuba is what it is because they are what they are.  Not the Cuban people, but the government.  Cuba is in the fiscal crisis they're in because they're a communist regime.

Human nature is not to "look out for each other".  Human nature is to protect yourself and protect your family.
 
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Reply #55 - May 13th, 2005 at 5:02pm

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There's a common misconception that Cuba equals illegal.

Might I remind you that only the American dollar is prohibited in Cuba.

Americans travel there all the time.  Just not on flights originating from American soil.

Americans spend money there every day.  Just not with their native currency.

Cuba is what it is because they are what they are.  Not the Cuban people, but the government.  Cuba is in the fiscal crisis they're in because they're a communist regime.

But Cuba cannot export and sell it's goods in the USA. And that is what matters, and that is what is putting Cuba in it's financial situation.

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Human nature is not to "look out for each other".  Human nature is to protect yourself and protect your family.

Which is why true, pure communism can only work in theory. Wink
 

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Reply #56 - May 13th, 2005 at 5:08pm

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And where is Cuba in relation to the US and the rest of the world? And money made in the exportation of goods to the rest of the world would probably be cancelled out in the cost of exporting it in the first place. You try telling some american companies that they cannot sell their goods in America and see how long they last. Tongue

Okay, NOW I get it. What you're saying is "this perfectly self-contained Communist utopia can't exist without it's Captilalistic "Big Brother" life-line?" Roll Eyes 
I thought they all supported each other. Why do they even need to worry about the state of their economy?
 

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Reply #57 - May 13th, 2005 at 5:16pm
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If communism works because everyone looks out for each other, and communist countries are failing because ONE country won't support them, what does that say about the communist country?  It OBVIOUSLY isn't working.
 
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Reply #58 - May 13th, 2005 at 5:20pm

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Okay, NOW I get it. What you're saying is "this perfectly self-contained Communist utopia can't exist without it's Captilalistic "Big Brother" life-line?" Roll Eyes  
I thought they all supported each other. Why do they even need to worry about the state of their economy?

Cuba isn't a perfectly self-contained Communist utopia. It's a dictatorship with communist ideals. No where is there a perfect communist country because true communism can only exist in theory due to human nature.

And because it's not truely communist to the fullest extent of the world it needs money and if they can't sell anything then they can't make money and so their economy suffers and, if the USA gets what it wants people will rebel and Cuba will become a democracy. Sadly, while Castro lives that will not happen. Tongue


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If communism works because everyone looks out for each other, and communist countries are failing because ONE country won't support them, what does that say about the communist country?  It OBVIOUSLY isn't working.

When that ONE country just happens to be the biggest economy in the world then it makes quite a difference. And you say it OBVIOUSLY isn't working, well, Cuba has gone half a century with the USA blocking it's every move and it's still there. It's not obviously not working at all. All the US is doing is making things as difficult as it possibly can.


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Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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Reply #59 - May 13th, 2005 at 5:22pm
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if the USA gets what it wants people will rebel and Cuba will become a democracy


Which won't happen, since the people of Cuba and other communist nations are so happy to be living in a communist nation, right? Wink
 
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