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Reply #45 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:14pm

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Then I guess Goliath wasn't the stronger one after all, was he?

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Reply #46 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:16pm

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Then I guess Goliath wasn't the stronger one after all, was he?

These people are as much a threat to me & my family as anyone. I'm simply trying to point out the facts as I see them. This is no longer conventional warfare. The David vs Goliath analogy is a good one.

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Reply #47 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:18pm

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My point was simply that the stronger force will always win. That's why they're the stronger force.

In the above example, David was stronger. And thus, David won.

Weaker forces don't lose. It's physically impossible. If you won, you're the stronger force.

EDIT: And yes, Hagar, they are a threat to all of us. Which is why they need to be stopped. You and I agree on this.

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Reply #48 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:22pm

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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

They've got a point there,

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Reply #49 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:28pm

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Wasn't the Guardian the newspaper in the UK that had it's readership send letters to people in the states asking them to vote a certain way in the Presidential election? (Genuinely asking.)

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Reply #50 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:31pm

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Of course I agree as I'm sure we all do. However, I'm not convinced that what we call terrorism will ever be beaten, not by conventional military action anyway. This is guerilla tactics & not conventional warfare where force of numbers will always win in the end. These people operate in small units which might not have any connection with the others or any strong connection to Al Qaieda. They could be sleepers & remain inactive for years. How do you tell a "terrorist" from anyone else unless you catch them in the act? Even if bin Laden is captured or killed there are now plenty more to take his place. Whatever happens to him now his followers will see him as a martyr.

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Reply #51 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:32pm

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Hm, I think they also had the headline "How can 55 million people be so dumb?" after the 2004 elections.

This was definately the best headline ever!

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Reply #52 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:34pm

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Wasn't the Guardian the newspaper in the UK that had it's readership send letters to people in the states asking them to vote a certain way in the Presidential election? (Genuinely asking.)

I have no idea as I've never read it. However, I assume that translation is accurate & don't see the relevance.

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Reply #53 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:36pm

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The relevance being that if that's the same newspaper, they've obviously got a very slanted political bias, and it would be foolish to take an article written by that rag as even remotely factual or subjective.

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Reply #54 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:43pm

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Whoops, sorry. The "dumb" headline is from the Daily Mirror.
http://gabeanderson.com/life/extras/59_million_dumb_americans-thumb.jpg

You've got left-wing papers, you've got right-wing papers...whatcha gonna do? *Shrugs*

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Reply #55 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:45pm

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You've got left-wing papers, you've got right-wing papers...whatcha gonna do?

I'm gonna stop relying on the mainstream media as my sole source of information. Oh wait, already did that....long ago.

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Reply #56 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:47pm

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You've got left-wing papers, you've got right-wing papers...whatcha gonna do? *Shrugs*

Trust ME and me alone. Only I am the Source of True Knowledge. Wisdom comes from listening to me.

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Reply #57 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:49pm

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All newspapers have a political bias. I posted that link as I believe it's the text of a communication from Osama bin Laden himself & not an article or opinion by the newspaper. If you dismiss it as propaganda & don't take it seriously you will never understand the cause nor the scale of the problem.

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Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

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Reply #58 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 2:49pm

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As if.

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Reply #59 - Jun 17^th, 2005 at 3:08pm

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However, I assume that translation is accurate & don't see the relevance.

Bin Laden had an Oxford education. If he intended the American public to read it then it would have been written in English and therefore no translation would have been necessary.

Of all the papers the Guardian is probably the most middle of the road of the lot. Although they do have some political bias it is far less than most of the other papers.

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Weaker forces don't lose. It's physically impossible. If you won, you're the stronger force.

May wanna rethink that one. Tongue

Besides, if the stronger side always wins, then what happened with Vietnam? And how come Hitler didn't invade Britain in the summer of 1940. How did Hannibal trash the Romans?

The stronger side does not always win.

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