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The Cold War (Read 2358 times)
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That's the fault. Don't isolate them. Talk to them. Same applies for terrorist groups.
I was going to keep out of this but there's a new kind of terrorism now. Until recently, even the most violent terrorists had a grievance of some sort & could be negotiated with. The ones we're faced with now appear to have no aims except terrorism itself.
How nice it would be if we could settle all the world's problems by diplomatic means, however long it might take. Unfortunately the human race has a natural distrust & fear of the unknown, even if it poses no threat. Another human failing is that those with strong beliefs in anything try to enforce those beliefs on others. This is what causes a lot of conflict & always will.
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Thankfully the World is safe from a nuclear war as we know it.
I can remember a few times during the "Cold War" when we came very close to a real nuclear war, Armageddon. This was narrowly avoided but I'm not sure I feel any safer now.
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Oh yeah, they're terrorizing people
for fun
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If they've got a motive, you've got a reason to talk to them.
As if...
I have to agree with Hagar, this knew breed of terrorist that seem to be emerging have no real motive. I really dont see what groups such as alkaeda are trying to achieve, payback for Western Oppression? But why do this through there current methods i really do not understand. I mean, if they actually explained what was happening maybe people would sypathise with them, but going round killing innocent civillians just is not the way to do things.
Back on the subject of nuclear arms, i do not we are ever going to see a nuclear/bio attack by these groups, as some sceptics like to believe. The attacks on 9/11 were so effective, there seems no other way for them to suppase that, other than the use of bio/nuclear weapons. also, from what i know it would be so easy for these groups to do, but i suppose they must fear the reaction from the US and other allies, i mean, once again, take 9/11 as an example. Sure Alkaeda wanted a reaction, but do you ever recken Binladen thought he would be at the centre of the biggest manhunt in history, or it would cause the wars in Afghanistan, and the foundations for Iraq. I would say no, and because of this i think they will have to very carefully plan there next move...
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Back on the subject of nuclear arms, i do not we are ever going to see a nuclear/bio attack by these groups, as some sceptics like to believe.
I wasn't referring to terrorist groups although there is always that possibilty. During the so-called "Cold War" there were any number of ballistic missiles trained on strategic locations in the UK. They used to reckon we would have 4 minutes warning of an attack, whatever use that would have been. I have no idea if this is still the case or where they're aimed now but those missiles are presumably still operational. Add to that the increasing number of countries that would like to join the "nuclear club" - or possibly already have.
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The ones we're faced with now appear to have no aims except terrorism itself.
Everything has an aim. So those guys must have,too.
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I don't think terrorist is really the word to use when talking about Bin Laden and his merry men. They're goal is to destroy america and the west. They've just been labled terrorists by various governments purely because people would support violent action against terrorism as they wouldn't against an army.
Remember, Al Quaida wern't called terrorists when they were fighting the Russians in the 80's. Back then they would have been called Militia or freedom fighters.
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Everything has an aim. So those guys must have,too.
Well, it would be much easier to deal with if they share those aims with the rest of us. As I said before, from where I'm sitting it's terrorism for the sake of terrorism. Their only possible aim is to destroy our western culture. I hate conflict & violence in any form & I'm all for negotiation wherever possible. Even when the IRA was indiscriminately blowing up innocent civilians (including children) in this country I had some sympathy for their cause but I find it hard to understand what these people hope to achieve.
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Their only possible aim is to destroy our western culture.
That's what the news and the rest of the public media is trying to tell you.
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That's what the news and the rest of the public media is trying to tell you.
So please enlighten me as to what their aim is. They have not attempted to negotiate or demand anything so far.
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So please enlighten me as to what their aim is. They have not attempted to negotiate or demand anything so far.
As I said, there not really terrorists in the traditional sense. They're just labelled terrorists because otherwise there would be more objections to trying to wipe them out.
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So please enlighten me as to what their aim is. They have not attempted to negotiate or demand anything so far.
No one has asked them either.
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No one has asked them either.
That's a tad difficult when they have no official representative. For all I know there are any number of different cells all with their own aims. Some might not even be connected with Bin Laden at all but just copying his methods. Terrorism for the sake of it.
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Jun 16
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Weren't there some interviews with Bin Laden?
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Jun 16
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Weren't there some interviews with Bin Laden?
I don't think there has been any interviews with him. He has released video messages-but an interview probably would not be something he would do. There is a price on his head and if someone who was not a firm believer in his organization was to do an interview-it is likely that bin Laden's location would be found out.
There were some interviews with Sadam Huessein, but not Osama bin Laden.
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Why why why the most powerful nation in the world can't find this human trash,maybe im changing the theme of what are you talking,but even to heard
ITS
name make me sick,maybe he's hidden in a far nation and the US justice are looking in the wrong place
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,maybe he's hidden in a far nation and the US justice are looking in the wrong place
Sorry my friends
The result of the Micheal Jackson trail makes me think that the US justice system is now what it should be. As for not being able to find Bin Laden, well, he has a heck of a lot of money and the whole world to hide in.
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