Simviation Forum - What would the penalty be for invading airspace??

May 11^th, 2005 at 1:37pm

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I just watched the news of the plane that went into the White House's airspace.

I was wondering what will be the penalty for such a blunder (if it was a mistake)? Other then getting shot down. Shocked

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Reply #1 - May 11^th, 2005 at 3:11pm

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DEATH!!!

Death by CFR suffocation!!

.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......

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Reply #2 - May 11^th, 2005 at 3:55pm

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Well, a chap did a similar thing in the UK when he flew into airspace about to be used by the Red Arrows. This annoyed a few people (including Red One, who promptly went away, to the disappointment of the crowd, witht the rest of the team), and upon landing, said chap was prosecuted. I think in the end he lost his license and was fined in the region of £20,000 (about US$37,000)...

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Reply #3 - May 11^th, 2005 at 4:30pm

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Reply #4 - May 12^th, 2005 at 12:14am

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Yeah, no doubt his license is in serious jeopardy. I don't think they'll be able to convict him of anything though.

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Reply #5 - May 12^th, 2005 at 5:11am

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Yeah, no doubt his license is in serious jeopardy. I don't think they'll be able to convict him of anything though.

They probably will - he did break the law...

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Reply #6 - May 12^th, 2005 at 8:07am

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Here you just get yelled at Grin

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Reply #7 - May 12^th, 2005 at 8:23am

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This is a weird case for sure.

I've been flying out of KOSU and it sits right on the edge of the upper-shelf (2500/4800) of KCMH (Columbus, OH) charlie airspace. If you approach or depart KOSU with an altitude and trajectory that even appears to put you in that airspace, KOSU tower will warn you.

If I'm not mistaken.. this was an instructor/student flight. I'm finding a lot of things alarming about it all. First.. that an instructor would get lost at all in the first place. Second, that he'd not have a radio tuned to ANY of the area towers, CTAFs or unicoms (didn't he have to be contacted by flare ?). Lastly, lost or not.. it takes quite a bit of time to cover any distance in a 152,, what the heck was he doing anywhere near the White House ?

I think there's more to this Wink

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Reply #8 - May 12^th, 2005 at 9:16am

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What Ive heard so far: The aircraft had a bad radio, and wasnt supposed to be used. It belongs to a flying club, and he reserved it, but never got the message that it he couldnt use the plane. After he landed, he was questioned by the secret service and released. I think they probably accepted his explanation that it was an accident, and I doubt he will face any penalty.

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Reply #9 - May 12^th, 2005 at 10:30am

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From what I've read, he was navigating visually and got lost. I don't know if this was an 'instructional' flight, but there was a student on-board.

I have to agree that this really seems neglectful as a pilot. Granted, I'm not a pilot, so I probably don't have the room to speak, but it seems obvious to me that flying anywhere NEAR that area (I'm from Maryland, not far from DC) is full of restrictions and dangerous places to fly. Don't know what the visibility was for that day, but I'm sure if I saw the beltway going around DC, I'd be getting the idea real quick that I'm lost/off course and really need to find my way to somewhere safe.

Just seems like some really poor judgment in this incident that almost cost the pilot, his passenger and possibly those on the ground their lives.

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Reply #10 - May 12^th, 2005 at 11:40am

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Neglectful is an understatement. If he was close enough to his departure airport to have not yet determined that he had NO radio communication with ANY tower or CTAF, then he was in familiar airpspace which rules out being lost. If he did indeed fly any distance at all in that myriad of controlled airspace without contacting anyone then he was just an accident looking for a place to happen and I find it hard to believe some moron in a light single inadvertantly meanders toward the White House.

The "catch, question and release" is the story de jour and quiets things down (for now), but I still got feeling there's more to this.

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Reply #11 - May 13^th, 2005 at 1:23pm

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I wonder what their reaction was when they saw Two F-16's pulling up to their side LOL

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Reply #12 - May 13^th, 2005 at 2:38pm

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I wonder what their reaction was when they saw Two F-16's pulling up to their side LOL

......considering the fact that they didn't seem to take much notice of something so easily indentifiable as the center of the nation's capitol....."hey check out the that big white tower with the long rectangular lake in front of it!.....Oh yeah, wha-duyah think that is?".....they probably didn't take much notice of, or give much regard to, the two jet fighters spewing flares, either. Roll Eyes

.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......

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Reply #13 - May 13^th, 2005 at 2:51pm

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F-16 frying hard to keep up (trying to be slow)

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Reply #14 - May 13^th, 2005 at 3:07pm

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I wonder if there ever was a time, in the "Good Old Days", when you could hire a plane, or go on a sight-seeing trip, over the White House, and similar places, without the risk of being shot down my some trigger-happy military pilot... Roll Eyes

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Reply #15 - May 13^th, 2005 at 4:50pm

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F-16 frying hard to keep up (trying to be slow)

I saw it on the news. The F-16 pilot had to be doing at least a 30 degree nose-up..

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Reply #16 - May 13^th, 2005 at 6:02pm

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What I can't figure out is how this dope did not realize where he was. Washington DC is not exactly a nondescript city... ???
And although a light single could definitely do some damage to the White House and possibly hurt people inside, many may recall this bizarre, ineffective encounter...
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N40/crash.40w.html

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Reply #17 - May 15^th, 2005 at 12:53am

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yeah, i was wondering what would happen to the guy, i know i would just stay clear of cities if i was a pilot, lol, cause arent they pretty much all restricted? it is just a lot of odd happenings...

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Reply #18 - May 25^th, 2005 at 2:10am