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May 8th, 2005 at 1:42pm

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Roll EyesHello, Was at Simmarket website and new plane has been released. Seems pretty nice but the price is a staggering $40.00! I know one does not have to purchase but I am shocked. jakob Undecided
 
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Reply #1 - May 8th, 2005 at 2:01pm

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I wouldn't purchase a $40 AC but some others might.

Developers need an insentive to continue with their often hard work developing new FS add-ons.
As the sophistication of the add-ons grow so will the price...at least up to a point.

The recent release of "Ultimate Terrain" @ $29.95 might seem a bit high for some but, worth every penny to most who have it (including me).

Bottom line, the price of anything is what the market will support and if it's worth it to you, solely depends on if what it contains is important to you. Smiley
 

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Reply #2 - May 8th, 2005 at 2:19pm

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Doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me - the PMDG 737NG, CS 707 and F104 are all around that price for a start...
 
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Reply #3 - May 8th, 2005 at 5:04pm

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Well some payware is great while others (IMO) are crap, I see most commercial aircraft coming out are very realistic, but it seem that there is a bunch of older WWII and military aircraft coming out daily that are quite expensive and from pictures aren't worth $5 to me, it seems they through on a paint scheme, put in some sort of missile guidance system ( I don't know older aircraft nor military aircraft systems) and charge $40, yes I see were you are coming for but some aircraft truely are worth $40, just make sure you don't pay for crap.
 
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Reply #4 - May 8th, 2005 at 8:29pm

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Roll EyesHello, Was at Simmarket website and new plane has been released. Seems pretty nice but the price is a staggering $40.00! I know one does not have to purchase but I am shocked. jakob Undecided
if you're reffering to that ariane 737, it's actually $ 51 (40 euros). as the others said, 40 $ is a reasonable price for a good quality ac. but be careful not to buy some dodgy one Wink
 

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Reply #5 - May 8th, 2005 at 9:09pm

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if you are buying the Airane 737, DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY, there is a freeware better than that, that aircraft is horrible, go for the PMDg 737 if you are going to buy a 737, but whatever you do, do NOT get the Airane 737
 
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Reply #6 - May 8th, 2005 at 11:19pm

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if you are buying the Airane 737, DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY, there is a freeware better than that, that aircraft is horrible, go for the PMDg 737 if you are going to buy a 737, but whatever you do, do NOT get the Airane 737
yes i suspected that too. why even bring out a new payware 737 when there's a perfectly good one available ???. i'm wondering who would buy this Tongue
 

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Reply #7 - May 9th, 2005 at 10:16am

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i dont know, but if i ever shall buy a commercial plane, it should be The PMDGs Boeing series

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Reply #8 - May 9th, 2005 at 10:28am

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if you are buying the Airane 737, DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY, there is a freeware better than that, that aircraft is horrible, go for the PMDg 737 if you are going to buy a 737, but whatever you do, do NOT get the Airane 737


Odd, Ive been reading the Avsim forums about this AC and most say its better than the PMDG 737NG, though with liveries (added cost), the basic model, and a VC (added cost as well) you are looking at around $130 for an aircraft. A bit too steep for my tastes but $40 for a quality add-on aircraft isnt a bad price, but it better be quality!

But then again, I see it is the Ariane model. I would just go with the PMDG 737NG, and add the 800/900 addon. You would come out cheaper and be able to install all the free liveries you wanted that were available
 

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Reply #9 - May 9th, 2005 at 2:57pm

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if I am not mistaken it only has a VC, com'on give me a 2D for whatever the price is, also no FMC, wtf?...is more of a semi-good VC and textures for the price

Not a deal to me  Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - May 10th, 2005 at 4:09pm

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DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM ARIANE!  THAT COMPANY IS OWNED BY PETER TISHMA!

LET ME REPEAT...

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM ARIANE!
 

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Reply #11 - May 10th, 2005 at 4:11pm
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? I do not understand? ???
 
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Reply #12 - May 10th, 2005 at 4:37pm

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Most of the old timers will know the deal about this, but the newer guys may not have heard of him.

It's a long story to tell, so let me make it as brief as possible.

Back in the days of FS200, Tishma tried to pass himself off as being a representative of the flight sim community and entered into negotiations with American Airlines to be the sole distributor of the AA name and logo as far as flight simulation was concerned.  Any person wishing to make an American plane (freeware or payware) would have had to pay Tishma a royalty.  Letters of cease and desist were sent out, and AA planes were pulled en masse from sites across the web.  The whole incident boiled down to two camps, with Tom Allensworth over at AVSIM towing the line for freeware and fighting against Tishma and company, and Nels Anderson over at Flightsim.com supporting Tishma.  

A lot of hard feelings were caused and the damage to the Flight Sim community was incalculable.  To this day, I don't see many AA planes around, and the use of any  commercial logos on freeware was seriously threatend.

In the end, Tishma was driven underground, and has had to hide his name on everything he has touched since then.  This guy is nothing but bad news, folks and you should stay away from him...

Here's a bit from Avsim you may wish to read...

http://www.avsim.com/pages/0902/pt_again.html

Search for Peter Tishma over at Avsim News and you'll find more.

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Reply #13 - May 10th, 2005 at 5:00pm

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Thanks for that Kevin...... Greedy People, Sickens me, that just saved me a load of money because I usually get any payware I seem to think sounds interesting, another reason I like Simvi........ Always some warning when needed! Cheers, Gunny
 

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Reply #14 - May 10th, 2005 at 5:23pm
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Yup thanks kev!
 
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Reply #15 - May 10th, 2005 at 7:43pm

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Why would anyone buy any payware addon that cost more than the FS itself? ANY FS addon available provides less than 1/10th the functionality of FS and certainly has a helluva less time/work put into it than the FS does.

So, logically, you are being ripped off if you spend more money on a payware addon than you did when you bought the FS.
 

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Reply #16 - May 10th, 2005 at 9:32pm

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Why would anyone buy any payware addon that cost more than the FS itself? ANY FS addon available provides less than 1/10th the functionality of FS and certainly has a helluva less time/work put into it than the FS does.

So, logically, you are being ripped off if you spend more money on a payware addon than you did when you bought the FS.


Yes, but no....I couldn't fly any freeware plane that mathes up to a MY payware aircraft, the payware aircraft I use are just to sophisticated for many freeware designers.  It's not that freeware makers are bad designers, its just payware makers I guess have more resources and have more money to spend so in return people buy their aircraft and they in return make money...
 
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Reply #17 - May 10th, 2005 at 11:28pm

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I think you completly missed my point  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #18 - May 11th, 2005 at 8:37am

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Chomp,

The logic there is missing a crucial point, I think.

The missing factor there is "# of units sold".  Microsoft sells a gazillion FS units at $50 each.  Development cost for all the various components is very, very high.... but due to the HUGE volume of units they will sell....... well worth it in the end.  That sales volume keeps the target price pretty low.

Virtual Aircraft Company, Ltd. makes a single very realistic airliner.  True...... compared to producing the entirety of fs200x, the development costs are not in the same league.... but they are still quite substantial.  Research into realistic systems and flight dynamics takes time and coding itself is S...L....O....W work. 

Unfortunately projected units to be sold are low... so the development cost per unit is high.  So in order to pay for development time plus some profit, the price has to be high to make the effort worthwhile.

Good thing freeware plane makers don't really keep track of their "work" hours  Wink.

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Reply #19 - May 11th, 2005 at 4:19pm

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I did once...it worked out to 1517 Hrs for a plane that was "high-end freeware" quality at the time.

Pay myself at $10/Hr...that's $15,000 to recoup plus time spent on sales.

The same plane generated about 2200 downloads while free, figure 25% would pay (very generous)...550 customers.

$15000/550=$27.27

Let's just call it $24.99 (I'm easy-going).

That's just for a freeware quality plane...commercial designers do work faster, but they also do more.

Prices aren't too outrageous...you just have to be selective.
 

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Pay myself at $10/Hr....


Silver,

Around here that is about "burger flipper" wages ...... not skilled designer / programmer.   Wink  

Your scenario above is about what I expected.... thanks for sharing the TIME it takes... and the potential sales volume.  That plane of yours was a full time job for 38 weeks....... almost 3/4 of a year.

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Reply #21 - May 11th, 2005 at 11:10pm

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John, thanks for your kind words. Smiley

Building planes is why I don't complain about payware prices.  Shocked

So much of the stuff is given away at ridiculously low prices it is astounding...it might as well be freeware for all the money made off of it.

One of these days I'll have a plane that will croos the "quality line" and be worthy of earning it's keep...then I'll have a decision to make:

Do I keep making it better (worth more)?

Or

Do I stop early, when the plane satisfies me...and who cares what the audience thinks?

I'm very close to that state now...maybe, but still building for me. I love the subject I'm building so the extra effort is for me. If the extra effort is for others though...pay up. Smiley

What's crossing the "quality line", at least in my eyes:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=aircwnt;action=display;num...

 

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Reply #22 - May 12th, 2005 at 5:06pm

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Everyone has a certain set of expectations that match a given price to pay.  I thought $44.99 for the CD version of 737 NG was steep. It was $39.99 but tax and shipping of course.....   Here's the reason.  It isn't a whole lot more functional than 767 PIC was in it's day.  In fact, in some ways less because you don't have to set and align the IRS before making initial FMC entries.  PIC had that modeled. sure, it has a VC but rarely use it due to frame and convenience issues.  Now, take WOP on the other hand.  Great package.  All of those super detailed realistic warbirds for $29.99.  That was a bargain to me, Id have payed more and thought it a good deal.  I tell you, if someone did a Gulfstream 450/550 with the new Primus Epic Planeview cockpit I would pay up to $50 or even more if it's 99% of real.  It's all in what you want.
 

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