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Apr 21st, 2005 at 9:51am

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1918 Red Baron killed in action


In the skies over Vauz sur Somme, France, Manfred von Richthofen, the notorious German flying ace known as "The Red Baron," is killed by Allied fire.


Note that this article in the History Channel's site does not attribute the "Allied fire" to one or another specific source  (ie. Roy Brown or Australian gunners) ..

 

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Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 10:13am

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he took down 80 allied aircraft in the war (holding the record for the first ww). he was my hero when i was a kid. i had my little red baron toy plane and loved it more than any other Grin

edit to add: of course he wasn't my hero for killing all those people (i was a kid, i didn't even understand the concept of death and war). i guess i just really liked that plane Wink
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 12:00pm

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Didn't we have this debate this time last year ...
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Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 12:06pm

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Didn't we have this debate this time last year [img]
Grin Grin Grin

Not on the anniversary of his death. Wink

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i had my little red baron toy plane and loved it more than any other  ......
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i guess i just really liked that plane

The legend of the Red Baron in his all-red Fokker Triplane owes more to a cartoon strip & a pop record than the truth.

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September 1 -- Richthofen scores his 60th victory, his first in the Dr.I triplane. On September 6th, he took a leave of convalescence, and when he returned in the next month he went back to flying the Albatros D.V.
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April: Richthofen achieves two victories flying Fokker Dr.1 triplane (number 425/17). Though he flew biplanes for nearly all of his career, and most of these were only partly painted red, it is the Dr.1 triplane, blood-red from cowl to tail, which is commonly associated with the Red Baron.

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Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 12:42pm

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Reply #5 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 1:52pm
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A great man from the era when dogfights still had a knightly touch. Smiley
Sadly, this era ended around 1941...
 
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Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 3:17pm

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A great man from the era when dogfights still had a knightly touch. Smiley
Sadly, this era ended around 1941...

I always understood the Red Baron was a cool calculated killer. Only way to survive & he was an experienced huntsman like most of the nobility. A good fighter pilot will shoot you in the back without you knowing he's there. That's his job. A large percentage of his victims were either inferior two-seat reconnaissance types or rookies. From what I've read over the years, chivalry in the air in WWI is mostly myth. This might have been so in the early days before aircraft carried armament.
 

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Reply #7 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 3:19pm

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I agree with Hagar.

 

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Reply #8 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 10:28pm
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I think the gentlemanly aspect only exists in Historians' minds...I've heard of 12 on 1 kind of thing...tell me how thats chivalrous?
Same went for on the ground as well...

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Reply #9 - Apr 21st, 2005 at 10:39pm

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\The legend of the Red Baron in his all-red Fokker Triplane owes more to a cartoon strip & a pop record than the truth.

Although it has been blown out of proportion-I think part of it is due to the fact that he was shot down while flying a basically all red Triplane.  Although he usually flew a Albatros D class fighter-he was killed in a red triplane.  And, I think that helps the legend.

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I always understood the Red Baron was a cool calculated killer. Only way to survive & he was an experienced huntsman like most of the nobility. A good fighter pilot will shoot you in the back without you knowing he's there. That's his job. A large percentage of his victims were either inferior two-seat reconnaissance types or rookies. From what I've read over the years, chivalry in the air in WWI is mostly myth. This might have been so in the early days before aircraft carried armament.

From what I have read, almost all of his kills were against two-seaters (as were most of the aces).  The stereotypical dog fight of a bunch of fighters didn't make much sense at the time-it was pretty impractical.  Although there were a couple big fighter to fighter "dogfights"-for example the dogfight were Werner Voss was killed, or the one for which William Barker won the Victory Cross (which I think is one of the most amazing stories of WWI).  So, Hagar is quite correct (as usual  Wink).
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 7:44am

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The legend of the Red Baron in his all-red Fokker Triplane owes more to a cartoon strip & a pop record than the truth. 

lol there's a pop record?
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 7:54am

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lol there's a pop record?

Actually there was more than one. Probably before your time. Wink

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After the turn of the century
In the clear blue skies over Germany
Came a roar and a thunder men had never heard
Like the scream and the sound of a big war bird

Up in the sky, a man in a plane
Baron von Richthofen was his name
Eighty men tried, and eighty men died
Now they're buried together on the countryside

Chorus: Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' out the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

In the nick of time, a hero arose
A funny-looking dog with a big black nose
He flew into the sky to seek revenge
But the Baron shot him down--"Curses, foiled again!"

Chorus

Now, Snoopy had sworn that he'd get that man
So he asked the Great Pumpkin for a new battle plan
He challenged the German to a real dogfight
While the Baron was laughing, he got him in his sight

That Bloody Red Baron was in a fix
He'd tried everything, but he'd run out of tricks
Snoopy fired once, and he fired twice
And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight

Chorus

Fade on chorus second time

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Reply #12 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 10:42am

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excellent! very interesting, thanks doug Grin
 

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Reply #13 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 11:23am

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Actually there was more than one. Probably before your time. Wink
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I know that song!!!   Grin
 
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Reply #14 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 11:44am

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or the one for which William Barker won the Victory Cross (which I think is one of the most amazing stories of WWI).  So, Hagar is quite correct (as usual  Wink).



"Victory"  Cross?  I presume our British colleagues are still in shock ....

Mayhaps it was the "Victoria Cross"  ????

 

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Reply #15 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 1:02pm

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"Victory"  Cross?  I presume our British colleagues are still in shock ....

Mayhaps it was the "Victoria Cross"  ????

LOL I missed that. Wink

He was actually Canadian.
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VC, DSO & bar, MC & 2 bars, Croix de Guerre,
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Reply #16 - Apr 23rd, 2005 at 12:57am

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"Victory"  Cross?  I presume our British colleagues are still in shock ....

Mayhaps it was the "Victoria Cross"  ????

LOL, sorry guys-thats what happens when I don't proof read my posts.   Roll Eyes

But, you know what I ment.   Wink
 
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Reply #17 - May 14th, 2005 at 8:20am

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The Red Baron was indeed a cold calculating killer, as was any fighter pilot worth his salt!


Brave men fighting & paying the ultimate price....

 

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Reply #18 - May 14th, 2005 at 9:53am

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Just an in interesting trivia fact (for those you who don't know-I'm sure some do) but the Red Baron's brother was also a highly decorated fighter pilot in WWI.  Lother von Richthofen was credited with shooting down 40 allied aircraft including the SE.5a of legendary British pilot Albert Ball.
 
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Reply #19 - May 15th, 2005 at 1:01am
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Yes, Lothar was pretty damn good too.
Kinda like Ralph Schumacher and Michael.

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Yes, Lothar was pretty damn good too.
Kinda like Ralph Schumacher and Michael.

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Another von Richthofen was an ace as well (I want to say their cousin-he had like 7 or 8 victories).  Unfortunately, his name escapes me at the moment.
 
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Reply #21 - May 15th, 2005 at 1:34am

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OK, I found it-his name was Wolfram von Richthofen-he had 8 kills.  He was the cousin of Manfred and Lother von Richthofen.

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/richthofen3.html

Apparently, he was Germany's youngest field marshall during WWII and recieved the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves.
 
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Reply #22 - May 15th, 2005 at 2:55am
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Apparently, he was Germany's youngest field marshall during WWII and recieved the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves.


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I was a bass player back in the late 60's and one band I was in actually played this song.
The red baron song: Wink

After the turn of the century
In the clear blue skies over Germany
Came a roar and a thunder men had never heard
Like the scream and the sound of a big war bird

Up in the sky, a man in a plane
Baron von Richthofen was his name
Eighty men tried, and eighty men died
Now they're buried together on the countryside

Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

In the nick of time, a hero arose
A funny-looking dog with a big black nose
He flew into the sky to seek revenge
But the Baron shot him down - "Curses, foiled again!"

Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

Now, Snoopy had sworn that he'd get that man
So he asked the Great Pumpkin for a new battle plan
He challenged the German to a real dogfight
While the Baron was laughing, he got him in his sight

That Bloody Red Baron was in a fix
He'd tried everything, but he'd run out of tricks
Snoopy fired once, and he fired twice
And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight

Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany

 

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I forgot whether this topic is old or not, but it was actually an Anzac machine-gunner on the ground who downed von Richtofen (Manfred) Grin Grin.

Just thought I'd clear the 'mystery' up a bit, since on tv there was some controversy.
 

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Just thought I'd clear the 'mystery' up a bit, since on tv there was some controversy.

They will never know for sure how he waws killed.  A lot of people believe that he was shot down by ground machine gunners and there was a TV show that did a special on this and "solved" this mystery.  Like many of these TV shows that "solve" historical mysteries they only present information that is helpful to their claim.  I personally believe that he was shot down by a ground machine gun, but there is no way to ever know for sure.
 
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