Simviation Forum - Birth of Hitler

Reply #15 - May 27^th, 2005 at 2:11am

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I'm entering late on this but I have a not entirely welcome link to April 20: it was the date my dad was born on. His initials were A.H. and he died on the operating table (January 9 -- U.S. Pres. Nixon's b'date), less than 4 months before his 56th birthdate.
In relation to posts by Ijineda and Woodlouse2002:
there may have been xpositions from other sources @ others. There was a poem of the era with a line "Goebbels has no balls" and, reportedly, he actually had but one testicle (even though that may not have been the meaning of the statement). In retrospect, whether or not it was true, neither Adolf Hitler nor Goebbels has any now and would well have done the world a service if their fathers hadn't.

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Reply #16 - May 29^th, 2005 at 2:09am

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He had very strange sexual tastes too...for example he invited Geli Raubal to..(ok ok maybe you should PM me if you want to hear it Tongue

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Reply #17 - May 29^th, 2005 at 3:26am

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Not really, as long as it doesn't involve me (even with a rip in the time contuum that's not probable). It's just that I see interesting date associations in my research for CFS WWI.
My dad & Hitler shared birthdates & initials; my dad died but 4 mos. before his 56th while Hitler had just turned 56. The up side is that my dad wasn't a notorious nazi; he was, in fact, an army medic (no reports of torture complaints from any of his patients that I know of).
The more direct link in the research was with vonRichthofen's fate on April 21: according to May's memorial website, Wilfrid "Wop" Reid May, the not-so-experienced-at-the-time pilot that vonRichthofen was pursuing, was also born on April 20. He had just turned 22, Hitler 29.
In 1916, it was a 'bloody April' for the Allies and Jasta 11 (vonRichthofen's) took a beating in April of 1918. I'm still no adherent of Astrology -- however: April has butted its way in under the God of War and smacked the world into a lot of Bull...
(hmm - did I say that?)

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Reply #18 - May 29^th, 2005 at 11:39am

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I'm scepticle of hitlers alleged sexual preferences. Ever since his death it seems that people have heaped just about every unenviable condition upon him from halitosis to having one testical and I find it hard to believe that one man could have so much wrong with him and still conquor half of europe. I put it all down to people wanting to put Hitler in as bad a light as is possible so that no one could possibly ever want to admire him at all. Tongue

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!

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Reply #19 - May 30^th, 2005 at 5:11am

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That's rather what I was saying in my 1st post. The testicle account applied to Goebbels; it wasn't meant in the physical aspect in the poem. Facts have been switched around or misapplied throughout history (as you say, sometimes to make the person seem even worse; enemies aren't generally spoken too well of overall). Hitler did well enough for a place in infamy even without the additional contributions.
As to conquering 1/2 of Europe, he had others accomplishing that for him. It may have been worse if he'd continued to listen to them. For Germany, itself, he made the end of the war even worse by not doing so (to say nothing @ even starting it in the 1st place).

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Reply #20 - May 30^th, 2005 at 9:39am

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As to conquering 1/2 of Europe, he had others accomplishing that for him.

But he laid out a good basis (military forces) for his experts.

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For Germany, itself, he made the end of the war even worse by not doing so.

Yup. But what was to be done? He brought the country from "rags to riches" (in a different sense) and his followers were practically blind, even at the end of the war ("Endsieg"). I wonder what would have happened if that damn wooden table had not saved him...

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Reply #21 - Jun 1^st, 2005 at 2:32am

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By all reasoning, if there weren't so many windows and that table, the world would be in worse shape.
The command structure of the OKW was such that Hitler was up the top. Had he died a few eventualites would have panned out:

a) In a quick coup, more sensible Nazis would have taken control and changed the command structure so that OKW was separate to the Nazi government.

b) Absolute nutcases would have sceded to the "throne" and the war would have continued with a more ferverent beleif in "Final Victory".

c) The Army takes control, elects some normal dudes to lead Germany, and relinquishes France and other countries, signing some treaties and some "sorry" notes, and continues to be a threatening, but benevolent power.

d) Huge civil war, Germany thrown into chaos, SS vs Whermact, Allies sit and watch.

There are combinations of these as well...this is by no means the complete or correct list, though.

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Reply #22 - Jun 1^st, 2005 at 8:02am

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I don't know where you got that from. Tongue

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!

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Reply #23 - Jun 1^st, 2005 at 10:35am

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I second that. Completely wrong.

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Reply #24 - Jun 2^nd, 2005 at 4:42am

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I'm not sure where Flt.Lt.Andrew's list is from, either, but:

a. if this succeeded it is more likely that we would be looking at 'c' or 'd'

b. this would have basically continued the war much the same or brought another bomb (or equivelent) to the table and, probably, right on to, again, 'c' or 'd'

c. if this had happened as intended, this was likely the preferred course; a new armistice would yet have left Germany feeling like they were the 'victim' of the rape case even though they'd have fewer cuts and lacerations than finally befell them; some of the nazi hierarchy would have averted criminal conviction, however, thus, as stated, still a threat.

d. For the Allied populace, this would have been well and fine; it's doubtful that the Allied military, however, would have kept their noses out of it -- they were already in the field, so-to-speak, and there are no spoils of war without stepping into "enemy" territory -- and backed whoever best served their agenda

As indicated, this is all speculation out of a myriad of possibilities.

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