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Why do we have those massive download problems?
REAL Problem
they try to force us to pay!
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ballistero
on: Apr 17
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Apr 17
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, 2005 at 4:36am
ballistero
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Exactly THAT day, whenn the pay-option came up, all of a sudden the servers, who had been working flawless for years and years, became dizzy, and the people who are not willing to pay FOR FREEWARE!! experience a whole bunch of crap.
Hey folks at simviation, what are you trying to tell us? It's more than obvious, that you are forcing the people to pay that f****** membership, so you can squeeze money out of them, by offering freeware by third parties.
Personally, i don't give a s*** about those solutions you're trying to give us, like suggesting that only IE works and that the security settings may be too high...
Trying to fool me??! It is more than obvious what you're doing, so don't underestimate the people's abilty to see through a cheap try...
This page is no longer the first adress to get new files for FS-Products....
I have no ending for this, so i take a small bow.
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Apr 17
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, 2005 at 5:03am
ozzy72
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ballistero WHAT are you talking about?
You can still download for free from SimV! Just there is an option to sign-up which means you have access to a faster download server. Pete has to pay to keep the site running somehow. Premium membership is that how
Ozzy72
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Apr 17
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ballistero
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I'm talking about that downloading became mission impossible here, because 95% of the time it plainly doesn't work. I've been here since 2000, and i've never experienced those problems.
This thing makes it up to: pay or die. That's it.
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Apr 17
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ozzy72
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Well I've just downloaded a couple of planes off the free server no problem whatsoever so I think the problem must be with your machine.
There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!
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Apr 17
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, 2005 at 10:06am
ballistero
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Ah really, keep tellin me. Whenever you see that tag "sign up for faster downloads" i can guarantee you, that the link won't work. And you know why?
Marketing.
"You could have this file, but without paying us, you will have a hard time getting the download started. In fact, we slow you down intentionally, cause we want to earn MONEY for other peoples work."
That's fact, don't tell me something about my machine, dude. You know it, and if you really believe in that sh** you're telling me, probably you should check your own. And I'm not speaking about my PC!
That reminds me of putting on my brown ribbon for today.
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Apr 17
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Craig.
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All seems to be working ok for me ???
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Apr 17
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Nothing wrong with the Downloads...
The Membership is just to help cover the Bandwith costs!
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Stratobat
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Apr 17
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Ah really, keep tellin me. Whenever you see that tag "sign up for faster downloads" i can guarantee you, that the link won't work. And you know why?
Marketing.
"You could have this file, but without paying us, you will have a hard time getting the download started. In fact, we slow you down intentionally, cause we want to earn MONEY for other peoples work."
That's fact, don't tell me something about my machine, dude. You know it, and if you really believe in that sh** you're telling me, probably you should check your own. And I'm not speaking about my PC!
That reminds me of putting on my brown ribbon for today.
I don't know what you think you're talking about but you have definitely got the wrong idea.
Pete fought for years against the idea of even HAVING a membership and paid enormous expenses out of his own pocket so people like you could come here and complain about download speeds. He has turned down sponsorships from payware companies because he is dedicated to keeping this hobby as free as possible. Do you see any payware advertising on this site? NO! Go look at other sites and see the sales pitches you have to put up with.
When he did start a membership section, it was as a last resort. He held out as long as he could. Then when he did, he was insistent that there be no loss of service to the members who choose not to pay. I gaurantee you that people who have chosen to pay the membership fee at this site did it because they respect Pete and want to help out, not because any loss of service.
NOBODY has been more of a champion to the cause of freeware than Pete has been! You owe him a major apology and a BIG thank you, not bitching about things you don't understand.
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Apr 18
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SilverFox441
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I trust Pete...but as a designer I still went and tested the servers for hookup problems, slow D/L speeds (below the admitted limits) and the whole host of potential "scam" types that other sites have done.
Found everything worked just as advertised, and just the way I expected it too.
Pete is doing it right... a totally optional membership service alongside a totally functional free service, and both working correctly.
Steve
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Apr 18
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I for one, do not mind contributing to a website's expense if it is an *option* to do so, and pete has graciously given everyone that option.
When pete originally said that was the direction he was headed, I easily joined up as this site is very informative, the people here are friendly whether a Mod or not, and I spent enough time as a contributing member before the option to become a premier member was given.
My thoughts are this ballistero, start up your own freeware website with downloads, build up a strong membership of contributing folks, with a forum, etc, and go without advertising from payware companies (which coincidentally will more than likely prefer screwing you over and not paying you the money you deserve) and see how long money in your pocket lasts. Pete never said you *had* to pay and you dont have to.
I also tried downloading from the non premier server and had no problems. It was slower, but still worked just fine, but I personally feel that pete deserves a few bucks from
my
pocket (the cost of two movie tickets without munchies) for a year of services simviation offers.
Respectfully,
Stephen
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Apr 18
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, 2005 at 12:10pm
Hagar
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This is a complete load of nonsense. I've had no problems at all downloading from the free site since the Premier membership started. It's no different now to how it was before.
Of course, this might depend if you're used to leaving your computer on all night while it's doing multiple downloads. I know some people do that which is what takes up a lot of bandwidth & caused problems for other users in the past. This site has been running for over 6 years now. Membership is optional as advertised. You can still download as many files as you wish & access the complete site, including this forum, perfectly free of charge.
Pete has done more than most people will ever know for the FS community. You should be thanking him from the bottom of your heart instead of complaining about non-existant problems. You either have optional membership or no Simviation. It's your choice.
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Apr 18
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, 2005 at 2:47pm
ballistero
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Alright, it sums up to this:
The people, who run this site keep telling me everything is just fine. Nobody else votes, no other user minds this thing here. And these problems exist, no use in denial. None of you should seriously expect me to take him serious, when you dare to tell me, that i can't handle my computer correctly. The longer this thing is going, the more credits you loose, dudes. Don't act silly, friends, cause these problems started exactly that day, when the membership option came along. NEway. There have been no persons writing here, that are not involved in running this site, so i plainly shouldn't listen to you. Instead i would like to read some innocent bystanders.
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Apr 18
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, 2005 at 3:03pm
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I have absolutly nothing to do with the running of this site. And like i said its working fine for me. I was going to give you the benifit of the doubt and perhaps say there could be a server issue or something like that with your ISP rather than your computer.
If your using a download accelerator they wont work to the best of my knowledge. I believe some people have had issues with some of the browsers.
You have done nothing to help yourself with a rude attitude. If you had just said you had a problem, given the details of your operating system internet connection speed, and browser then you might have gotten somewhere.
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Apr 18
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Not that you're going to believe ME anyway, but *I*, for one, have forgotten my password information to go into the "members" area, and my up/downloads are done through the " free" area.
Is the "free" server a bit slower? Possibly, but I see no significant delays in getting the file downloading started, as compared to that "other" site where if you don't have the premium membership, there is a real problem in getting into a free node.
The point I'm want to make, (and I do not dispute that YOU are having problems downloading from here), is that there are many people that do not share this problem.
Whether a person wants to donate (or not) to keep a little portion of Simviation viable, is entirely up to that person.
Please do not presume that "everyone" who accesses Simviation through the free area has the same problems you are having. There could be a reasonable technical explanation, possibly in the way you are routed to Simviation's free access area, that accounts for your problem.
Out of curiosity, what browser are you using to access Simviation?
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Apr 18
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, 2005 at 3:38pm
pete
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As the above guys said - & said without any falseness due to what you may suspect could be a vested interest.
The free site IS freely & easily available - the files will quickly download with a max speed of 30KPS.
I guarrantee you there is no attempt to pull wool over anyone's eyes or give any false information for short term benefit on my side.
I am genuinely on the side of users. I am passionate about giving our users a great time here & certainly wouldn't take anything from this. I simply HAD to draw in the rope on the free for all abusive downloading that would have driven this site out of existance & me into bankrupsy. As it is things are just begining to get to a break even point.
I regularly check things from other PC's as well as ask friends to test things. & like the guys have said above - there is NO - ZERO- problem downloading files from our free server & 30KPS is an OK speed. If you are having problems the way to go is approach things as a problem rather than suspecting there is a 'pay or die' attitude - which I can 100% assure you there isn't.
& the bottom line is this- server user logs are completely as they were before membership started - & if people couldn't access files easily they wouldn't be using the site as much as they were before.
Like I said - sorry you're experiencing problems but this has something to do with how your software or ISP connects with our FTP server.
Think Global. It's the world we live in.
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Apr 18
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Hagar
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Just to point out that I'm not officially connected with this site. I'm not even a mod on this forum.
Felix is quite right as usual & I might have been a little harsh. You obviously have problems downloading files which you didn't have before. This might depend on your connection (broadband/dialup etc.) & your browser. Firefox has its own download manager & I haven't tried it on this site. It could also depend on which download manager you use, if you use one. I'm on dial-up & have always used DAP for downloading files from this & other sites with no problems at all. I haven't noticed any difference in download speeds from the free site since the Premier membership started. In fact it might have improved if anything. You are restricted to downloading one file at a time but this is what I've always done anyway. I can only speak from my own experience.
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Apr 18
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There have been no persons writing here, that are not involved in running this site, so i plainly shouldn't listen to you. Instead i would like to read some innocent bystanders.
Don't know about innocent, but I don't have anything to do with the running of this site. I'm just someone who contributes to the File Library from time to time and who visit's the Forums here. I downloaded some add-ons from this site yesterday and everything went through normally!
Regards,
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Apr 18
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If you're after a few votes in your poll I suggest you add a few more options including something like "Thanks Pete for creating & maintaining the best site on the net!" & "I'm proud to be a premier member, pleased at last to be able to help out in even a small way!"..............
btw - I've been flying online for a month or so now and quite often suggest planes for the team to get with the link to the page at simV, not once has there been a problem with the free site.
Every time I see this post I feel quite enraged (Is it just me?)! I don't know how pete puts up with this sort of rubbish after all he's done over the years......
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Apr 18
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ballistero
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My System:
Athlon 2.1 Ghz
512mb ram (DDR 400)
WinXP, all Updates
Broadband 2 mBit (>240 Kb/s)
I use IE 6.0 to access the downloads here correctly. That's a special marks, since i avoid strictly using that NEwhere else.
I don't think that any more details would help beyond that.
My point is: I have used this page for years and years, without encountering any problems at all. Since the day the premier membership (sign up for faster downloads...) was installed here, i have the problems mentioned above. And i see a connection there. The only thing i download here are helicopters (fixed wing sucks), and whenever the tag appears to sign in for faster downloads, as a matter of fact the download ALWAYS fails. The usual files, the older ones can be accessed without any problems, if tagged, they fail more often. How the rest of you makes it to avoid these problems, i wish i only knew. But it is positively not connected to my provider or system, it's related to the membership option. Could anyone of you finally notice, that i am a pro in internet things, that my system runs properly, and that these problems exist, even though i use that f*** IE crap?!?
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Apr 18
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Hagar
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I don't download many files at all these days. In fact most of the files I download are for other people in order to check them out. I'm downloading a helicopter now to check it out for you. I haven't come across these tags you mentioned before but I had to disable DAP (my download manager) to download the file. This was no problem as it downloaded faster than it would have done with DAP enabled. I only use it for the Resume feature in case I get cut off while downloading large files.
I have no knowledge of broadband but I suspect your problem could be connected with you using a download manager. If so, try disabling it.
I think you would have got much better results by mailing Pete & asking for his advice rather than post this rather silly poll with only 2 negative choices.
PS. You might like to read this which is posted from the "Problems accessing files?" link on the main page of the site.
http://www.simviation.com/accessprob.htm
It could well address your problem.
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Apr 19
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SilverFox441
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Please note:
I have nothing to do with running this place
I don't even have a Premium Membership (I keep fogetting to sign up)
I have no problem as can be seen in the image.
The "Sign Up" Messge is displayed
Pretty much ends the need for discussion...except to help you figure out what's wrong in your system or connection....doesn't it?
Steve
(Silver Fox)
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Apr 19
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eno
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If your such an Internet Pro ........ and you realise that IE sucks ...... try Mozilla most of us use it.
I too have nothing to do with the running of this site.
I have a premium membership to give something back to a site that has given me so much.
I have since getting my premium membership downloaded from both sides of the site, to test downloads for multiplayer sessions. At no time have I had any problems.
I would suggest that instead of being negative, which you have been about something in every post, you take an active part in the rest of the forums and ask about any problems you have in there.
You'd be amazed about how much people know and how much POSITIVE feedback you might get ....... who knows you might even learn something.
eno........ learning something new from SimV everyday
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ballistero
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If i used a download manager i would have written it, wouldn't I?
http://www.simviation.com/pageimages/signupbar.gif
this is what you should be looking for. In the newest files section there is none at the time.
What do you mean you don't know about broadband? DSL? Never heard? I'm the guy who surfes 40 times faster than you do! Oh, i love kids bitching around.
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What do you mean you don't know about broadband? DSL? Never heard? I'm the guy who surfes 40 times faster than you do!Oh, i love kids bitching around
Considering you just dis-respected one of our most respected members who is anything but a kid, my advice to you would be to just drop it. You want help, email the guy incharge.
And to me you sound like the kid "bitching" around to be honest with you. You have come on here complaining and insulting the people who have tried to help you and still you expect more help.
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eno
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I think it's time we uttered the word that needs to be trumpeted.
TROLL
I think the benefit of the doubt has run out and it's time to ignore.
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Apr 19
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SilverFox441
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You mean that tag visible at the bottom?
The one on the file I'm downloading at a speed slightly
FASTER
than the advertised speed of 30KB/S?
The discussion
is
now over...unless you need help figuring out what's wrong with your system.
Steve
(Silver Fox)
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Apr 19
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Guys - let's understand one thing.
I am going to give ballistero the benefit of the doubt and agree that he has had a d/l problem.
It is known that under certain circumstances/browsers (IE should not have problems) there are problems.
Okay, so most of us did not take kindly to his "method" of venting his frustration/problem.
This discussion is not going anywhere.
I would add to Silver Fox's comments, that ballistero contact pete directly to see if between the two they can resolve the issue.
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