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Apr 15th, 2005 at 2:31pm

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Just curious, what were some of your most valuable lessons learned when working with/around aviation?  I can certainly say that in training, particularly instrument training, I learned more about myself than flying.  Patience, fatigue, personal limitations, when not to fly.

Anyway, just thought I'd ask this question to kind of liven up this forum.

 

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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2005 at 2:52pm

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Never take a chance. 

You could endanger yourself and more importantly those around you that don't have anything to do with aviation.  If you ever have a doubt about yourself or your equipment, ask someone about it or don't fly, it's not worth your life or the life of others.
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2005 at 3:52pm

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Everything you mentioned, plus:
When under Flight Following, especially near a controlled airspace, if you're going to deviate from course more than 30 degrees or change altitude more than 300 feet, let the controller know what you're going to do first. Learned that on a long x-c after diverting to find a gap in the weather... the poor controller had to move a bunch of  IFR traffic around me. I didn't bother telling him because he sounded so busy... Cheesy!!
I guess this falls under the "big picture" category: don't just listen for your call sign!
 

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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2005 at 5:48pm

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It may not necissarily be a lesson learned, but flying (and my future aviation goals) has caused a major personality shift in me.

I used to be the type of kid that was damn smart (I still am Tongue), but always took the easy way out, and was fine with being second (or third, or eigth) best at everything.  I would skim off the top for all of my work, never working to my full potential.  And I was fine with it.

Two things changed this-getting arrested ( Roll Eyes) and beginning to fly.  I realized that, if I wanted to be a pilot in the airforce, I could not be content with being normal.  Average.  Marginal.  I was going to be the absolute best at everything I did not only in regards to aviation, but I had to step it up in school too.  I was not willing to be one of those PPL guys that says "well, my navigation is a little out there but I can get her in the air and get 'er back down."  I was going to be proficient in everything I did, and work hard at getting there if I wasn't.  Both my instructors have always been very impressed with the amount of reading/studying I do on my own, and they say that they have to teach EVERYTHING to many of the students they get.

I've never had this attitude once in my life before my sophomore year, and I think me likes it Grin
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2005 at 10:58pm

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I can think of a few lessons I've learned over the years:

-Don't use the auto pilot at night when your tired (or even better, don't fly when your tired)

-Always make sure the tow bar has been removed

-Don't fly into the magenta or red colors on the radar

-Don't fly single engines in IMC unless you have to

-Don't fly a complex airplane just because you can afford to!

-Don't shut an engine down unless you have to (it may not start back up)

-Don't be more concered about getting to your destination than flying the plane

There are longer versions of the lessons above, but that's for another time.
 
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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2005 at 11:14pm

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Beefhole makes a very good point, probably the most common and most important side-effect of flight training, or any similar endeavor. I had to completely retool myself mentally in order to earn my PP. Discipline, sacrifice, patience, humility,and focus all had to be reinforced.
 

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Reply #6 - Apr 16th, 2005 at 1:40am

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PAY ATTENTION!

There are a great many things in and around airplanes that can kill you...they want to kill you...they exist to kill you!

They will kill you unless you watch them closely and make sure they aren't sneaking up on you, so watch them...all of them, all of the time. Smiley
 

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Reply #7 - Apr 16th, 2005 at 2:13am

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Reply #8 - Apr 16th, 2005 at 3:09pm

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Wow, this is all good stuff. 

With my instrument flying, I found that if you don't kick it's butt studying, it'll kick YOUR butt when you get out in it on your own!

How to deal with sress and keep going and 'seperate yourself' from situations.  Flying 3 days a week with an additional 18 credits, and playing the drums for a school club 3 hours a week will teach you a lot about priorities and stress management!  Also, there have been many days that I didn't really feel like flying, but decided to go anyway (Don't get me started on their cancelation policy... I think it only encourages poor decision-making) but turned out to actually release some stress and relax myself.  one nice thing about flying is you cannot have anything else on your mind when doing it... it requres complete concentration and focus, wich is great if you're worried about midterms, projects, and other school stuff.
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 16th, 2005 at 3:58pm

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Agreed.  Flying can create stress when you're on the ground, but once you're up there it sure does make up for it Smiley
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 16th, 2005 at 4:02pm

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Remove your tail-number before doing anything stupid, otherwise its easy to identify you Wink
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 18th, 2005 at 3:55am

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The three things which are no good to a pilot:
  • Sky above you
  • Runway behind you
  • A tenth of a second ago

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Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2005 at 8:22pm

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Well, I've learned a lot in my years of flying, here is an abridged list:

Never fly when tired

Never deliberately fly into rain

Always follow the checklist

Never shut an engine down unless you have to

Never focus on one instrument and not the others

Never taxi a taildragger faster than you need to

Never confuse the throttle and mixture levers

Always bring a spare flashlight

Always bring a handheld transceiver

Never lean over to get something while flying unless on AP

Never do a zero G with an open drink in the plane

The list goes on and on...
 

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Reply #13 - Apr 24th, 2005 at 11:20pm

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Never confuse the throttle and mixture levers


On one of my first solos I was abeam the numbers where I had to reduce RPMs to 1700 and I reached down to grab the throttle, but grabbed the mixture instead and was ready to pull and realized what I was doing.  Startled me to say the least. Tongue Wink
 

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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2005 at 3:55pm

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A student accidentally pulled the mixture on my first CFI when he was in the pattern (he went straight to best glide and landed fine-guy was an excellent pilot)-so, as Mobius said, it does happen.
 
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Reply #15 - May 2nd, 2005 at 10:06pm
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Well Boss_Blue Angels you have me thinking now Smiley

When I first started Grass Roots Flying it was with a retired Squadron Leader.
On the walk around he stopped me and looked me right in the eye and said: "Doug, learn something new every day no matter how insignificant it may seem at the time".
As my career developed in a positive way from Grass Roots Flying>Bush Flying>Military Aviation>Commercial Aviation and at long last back to Grass Roots Flying I remembered his words and have tried to do what he said.
If I could pass anything on to you it would be what he said to me Smiley
By your post I can see your on the correct heading.
Something to think about, when pilots go to parties we stand around and talk for hours about aircraft, flying experiences, close calls and maybe even women GrinLOL.  When you retire you will find yourself standing around the BAR B Q exchanging cooking recipes. Wink
Oh and that Squadron Leader, on my first solo after 4.9 hours of dual, he dropped out of the Moth after our first touch and go of the day, yelled in my ear..."Take her up for at least six touch and goes...May God Go With You and I Don't Envy God" and he walked away.
He was a real old Buggar sometimes...God Rest His Soul. Smiley

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Reply #16 - May 14th, 2005 at 10:37pm

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What I've learned... hmm...

-If the controller tells you to extend downwind for traffic, and you don't have traffic in site to gauge when it's ok to turn base.... you can have the controller call base for you instead of creating a stressful situation of being on a collision course with another aircraft!
 
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Reply #17 - May 16th, 2005 at 3:41pm

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Ive had only one lesson (yesterday, and Im still smiling), but one big thing that I learned, or rather realized is: An airplane is not some gloriouse magic carpet, its a vehicle. The one I was in was old, dirty, dinged here and there, and had bird crap on the elevater. It just made it seem more real to me.
 

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Reply #18 - May 16th, 2005 at 5:31pm

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Ive had only one lesson (yesterday, and Im still smiling), but one big thing that I learned, or rather realized is: An airplane is not some gloriouse magic carpet, its a vehicle. The one I was in was old, dirty, dinged here and there, and had bird crap on the elevater. It just made it seem more real to me.


That's good- you should be aware of the airplane as a mechanical device, and take nothing for granted. However, when you solo, it'll turn into a magic carpet again... Grin
 

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Reply #19 - May 29th, 2005 at 9:27am

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That's good- you should be aware of the airplane as a mechanical device, and take nothing for granted. However, when you solo, it'll turn into a magic carpet again... Grin


Hell - it turns into a ruddy Spitfire!

There I was; a bundle of 18-yr-old twitching nerves pushing the throttle in all by my lonely for the first time.
Got up, set climb and all of a sudden I'm going "DUMM DE DAAA DA DA DA DAAA DAAA DAAA DAAA...." (Off we go, into the Wild Blue yonder, instrumental version. Grin )

Don't bother that the little Cessna was about as close to a Spit as a go-kart is to a Porsche. Don't bother that I was white-knucking the yoke with one hand and choking hell out of the throttle (yes; throttling it...) with the other. Buzz Buerling was taking off to fight the Nazis!
(Of course; reality hit when Buzz Buerling realized he'd have to turn sooner or later... Grin )
 

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Reply #20 - May 31st, 2005 at 11:08pm

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Remember, the PTT switch is for the radio, not the guns
("Who's the idiot making machine gun noises on the radio?")
Grin
 

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Reply #21 - Jun 1st, 2005 at 7:03am

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Remember, the PTT switch is for the radio, not the guns

Grin


The PTT switch is a multifuction device. When the pilot is in normal mode, it's a PTT switch, when someone's in his sights, its the gun button!
 
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Reply #22 - Jun 2nd, 2005 at 7:57am

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"You'll never get rich working for an airline."


Cheesy Maybe that's true in the US where the kid working at Taco Bell earns more than a pilot, but in the UK Ryanair pilots start at £70,000 and can hit £100,000 (Ryanair is a low cost airline so can you imagine what British Airways pilots earn??) - it's a pretty lucrative career so it's more than worth the £5,000 needed for a PPL JAR (the basic entry qualification for Ryanair's training course).
 

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Reply #23 - Jun 2nd, 2005 at 6:12pm

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You can make lots of money working for an airline in the US-you just have to be working for a long time, and you have to be on some mid to big sized equipment.
 
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Reply #24 - Jun 7th, 2005 at 3:17pm

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Stay away from the propeller  Cheesy
 

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Reply #25 - Jun 14th, 2005 at 4:24pm

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Stay away from the propeller  Cheesy


Hope you didn't learn that the hard way... do people call you "Lefty?"
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Reply #26 - Jul 1st, 2005 at 5:00am

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Ive had only one lesson (yesterday, and Im still smiling), but one big thing that I learned, or rather realized is: An airplane is not some gloriouse magic carpet, its a vehicle. The one I was in was old, dirty, dinged here and there, and had bird crap on the elevater. It just made it seem more real to me.


Good for you! I had my first lesson last week. Also was the first time I flew, ever! So I'm up in the air for the first time in my live and I get to hold the controlls on my own! It was a small piper cup and a bit old too. I  definately know what you mean...
-I learned lots of things, the most important being:
Always stay focussed! (Even if it's a little hard because you want to look outside with a big smile on your face)
-Make sure your seat is in the right position
Man, I learned this the hard way!! I was glad when the instructor took over after 10 minutes!
-Don't hold the controlls like you would hold your girl when she's feeling cold  Grin Let the plane do her little dances... It's fine as long as you keep your altitude and get where you're going.
-Don't fly on your instruments unless you have to. It's better to look out of the front window and concentrate on one point and the height of the horizon and feel what the plane is doing. Only use the instruments to check what you're doing. (It was a big difference compared to flightsimming  Grin You can't feel the plane in FS and you have to use the instruments all the time)

Somehow I feel that you guys already knew all this  Tongue
 
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Reply #27 - Jul 13th, 2005 at 3:38am

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Never take a chance.


Well, I believe taking chances can be advantageous in most cases...even in aviation.
 
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Reply #28 - Jul 16th, 2005 at 10:24pm

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Well, I believe taking chances can be advantageous in most cases...even in aviation.

For business purposes, yes.  The actual flying part of aviation? NEVER.
 
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Reply #29 - Jul 16th, 2005 at 11:42pm

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Well, I consider flying in itself as taking a chance.  Obviously its a wise idea to never put yourself or someone else in a dangerous situation.  Never be a cocky, gung ho, I know it all pilot, because if you don't know your limitations, you will learn stuff the hard way.  The idea is, know what your doing.
 

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Reply #30 - Aug 1st, 2005 at 8:03pm

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Well, I believe taking chances can be advantageous in most cases...even in aviation.



Okay, I'll clarify, never  do something that you feel might put yourself, your passengers, other pilots, or anyone on the ground in more danger than necessary.  If there is a fork in the road (or the sky Wink), always take the path that you feel is most safe and reasonable.

I can't say I haven't taken some, oh....let's say......not-so-wise choices and it's all turned out fine and dandy, but it's not the best move to make when it could cost your life or someone elses.

If no one ever took chances, nothing would have ever happened. Grin Wink
 

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