is the EaglesoftDG , payware or free ware, on the site it has pictures of paypal pictures and all. But I just clicked download then it downloaded.
Is it payware? or free ware?

The EagleSoft is still payware Last I knew (3 days ago) , Cheers, Gunny

Are you Sure? When I Bought it, it downloaded, but then you must have a file key to be able to install it. 8)

AFAIK, the citation X uses the Flight1 wrapper system, a very proved and secure method of delivering the product. You download the whole file, but need a key to register it....

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing you.
I've had the Citation X for several months, and there is virtually no way you could've done it.

Screenshots please

Yeah, it definitely says its still $28 

Like Nexus said, Flight1 uses the Wrapper system.
I have contacted Ron Hamilton the Owner and Founder of Eaglesoft about the possible problem with the wrapper. If there is a problem with their "wrapper", they need to know as this site does not support any type of file sharing or piracy.

If you are sharing "wrapper keys", please do not do it or advertise on this site!!! It is ILLEGAL and you are stealing from the people who create these great products.
You run the risk of being Banned from this site if you are!!

Dave

guys, why dont you try downloading it your self.
The thing dosnt even have the wrapper. I just downloaded it
and ran the installation files. It installed fine.
I posted in their support forum to see what was going on.
When i checked it it had been deleted!

Cobzz, you can't delete the thread, only Mods can delete an entire thread. You can only delete YOUR posts!

Don't worry about it Cobzz, I guess you got lucky. There is not a way you would have known anyway.

As stated, we don't support key swapping or piracy but in this case, it seems you were able to download the CitationX as there was a glitch in their recent upload.
I don't know if you can pay for it as it would be the right thing to do, but if you can't that is up to you.

Happy flying

Dave

Several months ago, there was a glitch in the United Airlines computer system that resulted in airline passengers buying tickets for five dollars.  Today there's a story of US Airways selling tickets for $1.86.

Should these passengers be required to pay the difference?  The airlines seem to think not, and all tickets were honored at their purchase price.

I don't think the public should be held responsible for the misgivings of a company any more than the company should be held liable for the behavior of it's client base.

I wouldn't.  You've done the right thing by trying to find out once.  If they deleted the post, that's on them, not you.

If Cobzz found the $100 on the sidewalk, and attempted to hand the rightful owner the lost bill, but the rightful owner wouldn't talk to him, how again is Cobzz to blame?

Furthermore, a character assassination of someone who says they tried to do the right thing by a company speaks more about the company than it ever could about the individual.

If you read the post, Cobzz was ASKING if this product was payware or freeware.  The only time he explained how it happened was when people doubted his authenticity.

I find the behavior of Eaglesoft in this case to be disgusting, and yet another example of the greed that has led to my lack of support for payware developers.

Now, as for your allegation that Cobzz is a thief.  I'm afraid you may want to speak with your legal department.    There are very specific criteria which must be met in order for something to qualify as theft.

For example, the intent of the party must be felonious; he must intend to appropriate the property of another to his own use. 

There must be a taking from the possession, actual or implied, of the owner; hence if a man should find goods and appropriate them to his own use, he is not a thief on this account.  (So your analogy regarding Cobzz's finding of $100 would not legally qualify as larceny.)

Unless you can prove that Cobzz had felonius intent, I would definitely suggest that you refrain from referring to him as a thief, or you're opening yourself and your company up to a world of litigation that you probably wouldn't want over a $28 file.

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According to his profile we are talking about a chap who's 12 yrs old, so give him a bit of slack. He's just a lucky chappy who benefitted from a mistake. It's not his fault at all that the wrapper didn't work/exist on his download and he highlighted the problem too.

I suppose this is an example of the joys (and intricacies) of internet shopping!

(in case this post was in any way mis-interpreted, I was merely referring to the fallibility of electronics (and there particular use here), not the "joy" of finding yourself with something you were expecting to pay for)

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You can stand by it, sit on it, put it on a slice of bread and eat it...the fact remains that the legal definition mandates INTENT.  Your Wal-Mart analogy is tainted.  In order to use Wal-Mart appropriately in this case, you'd have to say that Cobbz found a copy of the item in the parking lot, and he took it.  That does not satisfy the legal terms of larceny.

EDIT:  Go ahead, prosecute it.  There isn't a judge in the world who will find anyone guilty of a crime in this case.

Read Cobzz's post.  He was asking if anyone knew of it becoming freeware, because his posts at your forum were removed.

When people doubted the claim that he downloaded it for free, he responded with evidence, all in the hopes of finding out what the story was.

At that time, you came here and called him a thief.  You said that his eagerness to break the law spoke to his character.

He never spread the word on how to download it as a means of affecting your business.  There was no criminal or even malicious intent.

Enough said. Let's drop it... There was no way Cobzz could have known that it was an oversight on ESDG's part in the first place, and ESDG have done the decent thing (just as if you were to go to a shop, and find a price tag on an item saying one price, than when it's scanned trough the checkout it says a higher one, the vendor should offer you the lower price) in letting him keep the product, even if advertising the fact he'd received it around here wasn't the best thing to do.


Cheers,

Charlie

We are a bit too busy to debate you or anyone else for that matter...

We do feel that we offer excellent customer service but we leave you to decide for yourself

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Charlie, The CitationX and The Citation II are the only Business jets I fly. They are well worth the money and an absolute must have for any payware customer! 

Dave

its better if I told you about it, would you rather me leaving it for a month or so, so you lose lots of money(btw i dont think ur obsessed with money)????????
about LMAO, i am a bit happy that i did get it sorry though
But if you want ill delete of my computer.
How am i a theif?????, it was just a damn upload faulure.
It gets damn fustrating ppl calling me a theif
YEs i am 12, almost 13. I wasnt advertising it, I was just saying see for your self, cause they thought I was lying or
got it off a illegul website. 
I only registered to the ESDG to say that, and wasnt gonna check up on my messages.
OH YEAH, MODERATOR OR ADMIN , CAN YOU DELETE THIS THREAD?

DONT PM ME ABOUT THIS.


bye

ok this really annoys me
" The suggestion by Cobbz to run over and download the plane for free shows a bit of what his character is about. "
I might as well delete my profile!
what a waste of time

ok good,
soz, i never got a email.
if you want, re email it to
cta_skywalker@hotmail.com

DELETE THIS THREAD PPL

Check your box for the copy I sent the other day

ok this really annoys me
" The suggestion by Cobbz to run over and download the plane for free shows a bit of what his character is about. "
ffs.
I might leave these forums forever.

its  COBZZ
its both our fault I said lmao and all. and he did the upload faulure( simple mistakes are the worste ) and he said
" The suggestion by Cobbz to run over and download the plane for free shows a bit of what his character is about. "
when i didnt do a thing.

DELETE THIS THREAD ALREADY I AM IMPATIENT

bye bye

Cobzz,
We don't delete threads just because of things that are said unless they are offensive to this community as a whole. That is what posting is all about and why it is important to be careful of what you post.

Ron Hamilton, (N400QW) of Eaglesoft basically found out about it as I and many others who support these sites most likely contacted him. I am sure this was not the only forum people were talking about this.
His "accusation" that you are a thief was one in general because allot of people out there are into getting things for free, key swapping, file sharing, piracy, etc..
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I think both points were proven and when he realized that you are 12 and really tried to be honest, he sent you a personal email.
His stance on this is one of many payware companies. Their developers and designers put allot of their own time into these products. Since this is a free world, they can charge for it if they like. Theft is always a top concern with these companies as with any company that has to deal with people getting things for free when they should be paid for.
You were totally honest and through communicating, the problem was worked out.
cobzz, I would please drop it as Ron has already apologized and offered the aircraft, which is a killer jet, to you for free.

There is no reason to delete this thread as it shows good faith on both parties and that things can be worked out. .

So to end this little banter, how is this......  8)

Cobzz is not a Thief

and

Eaglesoft apologized for calling you one!

So go fly you aircraft but remember, you still need to pay for fuel to keep that monster in the air!  

Dave