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Reply #30 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 8:56am

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The Navy has needed a large carrier since they scrapped HMS Hermes. The government isn't going to be allowed to get out of building this new one. Especially if the JSF can't operate from the old ones. (Or the new ones for that matter. Tongue)
 
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Reply #31 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 8:58am

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If the JSF can't operate from the new carriers, which from what I hear seems quite likely, what do we need them for?
 
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Reply #32 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 8:58am

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Thus the reason final design hasn't been decided on yet. If it cant use the ramp. They will have to go with catapults. Which has been planned for anyway. But would still require some mods to the design.
 
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Reply #33 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:03am

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Crazy Undecided - Dump all of these new fangled things that don't work and just use the good old hawks Cheesy
 
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Reply #34 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:07am

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More delay. The way I see it they might just as well have gone with the catapults & used a conventional naval aircraft instead of all this messing about & goodness knows what expense. We could have had a supersonic Harrier with genuine VSTOL capabilities back in the 70s but of course we lost that due to the same sort of muddled thinking. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #35 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:09am

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There wont be a delay due to a change. Just extra costs Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #36 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:13am

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Tell that to the Marines. Tongue

Sorry Craig, I couldn't resist that but this is a familiar story I'm afraid. Things don't change much, in fact it gets worse.
 
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Reply #37 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:18am

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Never mind. In 2020 we shall have one new carrier, no doubt called Ark Royal because the queen could well have popped her clogs by then and the other one will be half built on a slipway somewhere. The planes will be able to take off. But only if they're carrying no weapons and half a tank of fuel and if we're very lucky the ship will have propellers to enable movement. She will then be run aground and sunk in a training excersise in the Western Isles and England will haver her carrier problem once again. Grin
 
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Reply #38 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:20am

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Maybe we should buy it back from the Indian Navy... Grin
 
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Reply #39 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:22am

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Now there's an idea. Grin
 
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Reply #40 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:33am

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Dont get me wrong Doug, i know there will be delays, just the change in design shouldn't cause any in theory.
 
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Reply #41 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 9:35am

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Good one Woody. Cheesy Sadly, there's more than a hint of truth in that. Strangely enough I'm reading through some old copies of the RAF Flying Review magazine that someone gave me. The May 1961 issue has a headline on the front cover asking: "Does Britain Need Fleet Air Arm?" in big black letters. The editorial suggests using land based aircraft from carriers. This is much the same as the Joint Strike Force which is happening right now, over 40 years later. In the same issue is a big feature on the Hawker P.1127 which had just carried out its preliminary flight tests. And people wonder why I appear cynical. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #42 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 10:37am

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As far as I see it it goes like this. The army has a gun that doesn't fire. The Air force has a plane that has only just been proven to exist, that also has a gun that doesn't work. The navy will have planes that cannot take off on carriers that arn't finished. So it's all balanced out. After all, you can't be seen to favour one branch of the armed forces and just ignore the rest can you? Grin
 
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Reply #43 - Apr 9th, 2005 at 11:32am

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The JCA's weight will be sorted at some point. It will however hopefully be a revolutionary aircraft in terms of new technologies...
 
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Reply #44 - Apr 10th, 2005 at 4:28am

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I couldn't hold back the thought but, in remembrance: the UK  started WW2 with shipboard Swordfish biplanes - shouldn't it maintain tradition and start a naval jet war with Seafires or something? Imagine the fun of catching up under the stress!
 
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