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LANDING IN 717 , 727, 737, 747 ,A330 AND A330 A330 (Read 1825 times)
Apr 4th, 2005 at 1:44am

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how fast do planes hit the runway when landing?????(in vertical speed)?
I normally land 50fpm to a max of 300fpm and i am sure that they are soft.

how fast do they do it in real life???

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Reply #1 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 6:03am

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Not sure about heavies, but in RL flying light singles, I'm usually looking for about 500fpm on final, then as little sink as possible during the flare. Can't say how much fpm it takes to bounce, 'cuz I've never made a hard landing  Wink Cheesy.... Seriously, offhand I'd say  100fpm at touchdown would be about the limit for small planes. Of course that also depends on how far you sink at that rate...
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 6:13am

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Don't know about heavies but the idea on aircraft I've flown is not to hit the ground at all but touch down as lightly as possible. When it's done properly you don't feel the bump. A great feeling when it comes off. I'm sure it's the same for any aircraft.

PS. I don't how that relates to fpm as I've never looked at my instrument panel while landing.
 

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Reply #3 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 6:56am

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The safest way is to hit the ground with some force at least - if there's any standing water on the runway the you'll break though the layer and contact the runway - if not you may end up aquaplaning and being in very little control... Shocked
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 7:13am

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The safest way is to hit the ground with some force at least - if there's any standing water on the runway the you'll break though the layer and contact the runway - if not you may end up aquaplaning and being in very little control... Shocked

Ah OK. I don't think you can aquaplane on grass. Wink

Shows how out of date I am. Also how good the shock absorbers must be nowadays. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #5 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 7:29am

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last thing you want to do on wet grass is land hard. Would make a carrier landing look long:)
 
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Reply #6 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 3:54pm

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Ah OK. I don't think you can aquaplane on grass. Wink


You just slide naturally... Wink

...and you're quite right, I was talking about those silly concrete runways someone invented. Personally a proper aerodrome should have runways, but a nice big omni-directional grass field. Smiley
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 5:54pm

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Not at 300 kts, that much I'm sure of. Tongue Grin
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 6:41pm

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Well the thought is, you should stall onto the runway. Obviously this doesn't work for all airplanes.
Small planes, just get really low, let the speed slide off, it should settle pretty nicely into the runway.
With larger planes, suddenly it might be that you need to make it off on a certain taxiway, stop near your gate, or stop before the end of the runway, and a "firm" landing might become necessary. Normally though, at large airports (for example, when I take a 767 into DFW), it is standard to just glide along, the mains just a few feet off the runway, until the speed is so low the tail will drag if we don't touch down soon, then lightly allow the plane to sink down. Done correctly, no violent bump, and if you have a long enough runway, reverse not needed. Not hard to use more runway floating along killing speed than actually stopping on the tarmac if you have the space. Traffic can create problems though. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 7:31pm

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Imagine landing this baby. Cheesy

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Reply #10 - Apr 5th, 2005 at 12:49am

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If those are flare angles... then wow! Smiley
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 5th, 2005 at 2:27am

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Do you flare in concordes?? i've heard that you are meant to keep about 300fpm till you hit the runway as to keep the angle down.  That seems a little extreme tho Roll Eyes

I have a question.  How high do you start your flare? I watched a Cockpit DVD and in a 737 they didn't flare till about 10 feet.  They quickly pulled it back just above the runway.
 

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Reply #12 - Apr 5th, 2005 at 4:35am

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Do you flare in concordes?? i've heard that you are meant to keep about 300fpm till you hit the runway as to keep the angle down.  That seems a little extreme tho Roll Eyes

The landing procedure for delta-winged aircraft is completely different from conventional aircraft. The high angle of attack is necessary to keep the speed down. Delta wings are very stable at slow speeds & high angles of attack & will not stall in the usual sense. The Concorde had no flaps & I'm not sure it has airbrakes. The Vulcan has airbrakes (not sure about flaps) but unlike the Concorde normally deploys a braking chute after touching down.

I read an interesting article on flying the Vulcan some years ago. The author said that when landing it was like no other aircraft. You throw the book out of the window & start learning all over again.

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Reply #13 - Apr 5th, 2005 at 5:35am

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Landing either of those big d-wings must be a real nail-biter, esp. since the engines are underslung at the trailing edge of the wing... a very expensive boo-boo just waiting to happen! Lips Sealed
 

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Reply #14 - Apr 5th, 2005 at 5:42am

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Concordes engines came within inches of the ground on landing and takeoff however those who are observant will notice the small wheel on the tail, that was used incase someone thought they were in a fighter aircraft and pulled up a little to hard, thus saving the engines. The higher angle also worked as a speed brake when landing.
 
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