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Mar 25th, 2005 at 11:58pm

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The last F-16 has been delivered to the Air Force.  I could cry right now...   Cry

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Reply #1 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:09am

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Oh well, it was a good fighter but is becoming obsolete. It can't even supercruise, as is the new hot trait for fighters.
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 8:11am

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The last F-16 has been delivered to the Air Force.  I could cry right now...   Cry


...but deliveries to Pakistan are soon to begin... Smiley

Hey ho, at least Lockheed Martin will keep turning out the C-130J, even if some numpty did want to shut down the line...
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 8:25am

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It can't even supercruise, as is the new hot trait for fighters.

Supercruise... New.... Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

Ahem. EE Lightning. Shocked 8)
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 8:27am

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Not to sound like a dweeb, but what is 'Supercruise?"  ???
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 8:44am

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The ability to cruise at supersonic speeds without the need to use afterburners I believe...
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 10:41am

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Not to sound like a dweeb, but what is 'Supercruise?"  ???


Something, I believe, that Concorde used for yrs...... Roll Eyes


.....Oh, ....I get it now........first we let the civilians use it for a quarter of a century, then once its proven, we can allow the military to test it for suitability......... ???   Roll Eyes  

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Reply #7 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 11:01am

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Something, I believe, that Concorde used for yrs...... Roll Eyes


Concorde did have the advantage of not carrying several thousand lbs of drag causing stores hanging under the wings... Grin
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:03pm

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They are still planning on updating the existing F-16s so they still have some life left in them at least.  In the article it said those F-16s had the helmet mounted cueing system, how many other aircraft use this?  I didn't think the US was using it yet.  I knew that MiG-29 pilots can use it and some others, I just didn't know who.
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:35pm
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Yeah Supercruise is cruising at supersonic speeds without the afterburners, as stated by some other members. The F/A-22 will use supercruise... 8)
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:35pm

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Something, I believe, that Concorde used for yrs...... Roll Eyes


.....Oh, ....I get it now........first we let the civilians use it for a quarter of a century, then once its proven, we can allow the military to test it for suitability......... ???   Roll Eyes  

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It was the EE Lightning that first used it. Then it was given to the civilian market, and now finally military folk are going "hey, that could be useful." Which is why they are harping on about it as if they invented it. Grin
 
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Reply #11 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 12:38pm

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They are still planning on updating the existing F-16s so they still have some life left in them at least.  In the article it said those F-16s had the helmet mounted cueing system, how many other aircraft use this?


Yep, just because the last aircraft has been delivered doesn't mean the aircraft isn't going to continue for several years yet...

On the subject of Helmet mounted sights, one aircraft that does use it operationally is the RAF's Sepecat Jaguar GR3a, which is in the process of being retired. This has been using the system with Sidewinders since 2000. The Eurofighter Typhoon will also uses the system, and the first operational Sqn is formed next year using AMRAAM and ASRAMM for air defence.

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Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 4:41pm

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Well I guess we need to phase it out, need to keep up with the terrorists you know, they just got a set of hangliders equiped with 2  3mm BB guns with a maximum range of 100 feet.

Yeah I do like the F-16 looks so damn sleek.
 
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Reply #13 - Mar 26th, 2005 at 8:22pm

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Concorde did have the advantage of not carrying several thousand lbs of drag causing stores hanging under the wings... Grin


....and neither does the F-22....stores are internal..... Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 5:19am

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....and neither does the F-22....stores are internal..... Roll Eyes


..and hence its ability to supercruise. Wink Grin

Having said that, when it comes into service as the F/A-22 we're probably going to see it with at least one pair of underwing pylons... The Typhoon will be the same. I imagine if the F/A-18 Super Hornet could too if the pylons were removed... Smiley
 
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Reply #15 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 5:58pm

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Supercruise is the ability to reach and maintain a supersonic cruising speed without using afterburners. Sorry Concorde fans, it can't do it. Tongue
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 11:02pm

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Saratoga, if you are thinking of infering that Concorde wasn't capable of supercruise, then please, take a trip HERE, then come back and tell us all how it managed flying for hours in afterburner, without towing a fuel trailer behind itself.......?
Further info is available HERE.....I was lucky enough to find this online. I have a copy of the same book, brought back from Heathrow, back in the early 80's by my mother.
 
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Reply #17 - Mar 30th, 2005 at 8:17pm

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Well I shall rephrase. But only after this: And I quote:
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...exceed Mach 1 in level flight without afterburners...able to cruise at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners...

The Concorde cannot reach it's Mach 2 cruising speed without afterburners, period. Due to the huge drag curve between Mach 1 and Mach 1.4, it's impossible (well a dive perhaps...). It CAN supercruise at like Mach 1.05 and it can easily cruise at Mach 2, just it can't reach 2 without the burners.
 
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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 2:45pm

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I'd like to see an F22 reach mach 2 with out afterburners either.
 
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 4:05pm

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typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.
 
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Reply #20 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 4:19pm

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typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.


Which the Typhoons will never ever be allowed to go near. Not allowed to have fun anymore... Roll Eyes Smiley
 
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Reply #21 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 5:01pm

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typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.

Still slower than the Lightning then. Tongue
 
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Reply #22 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 5:03pm

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i know its tough, but please Woody. Let the Lightning go. Her service has come to an end and she isnt coming back. Grin
 
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Reply #23 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 5:05pm

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But more economical and with slightly better avionics and defensive aids. and the pilot has to dress up to look like and alien... Wink
 
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Reply #24 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 5:07pm

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which is always cool:) Plus they are just a little safer:)
 
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Reply #25 - Mar 31st, 2005 at 6:04pm

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Poppycock! Just lame excuses for not being able to develop a fighter better than one made 50 years ago. Grin
 
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Reply #26 - Apr 3rd, 2005 at 1:24pm

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Poppycock! Just lame excuses for not being able to develop a fighter better than one made 50 years ago. Grin


I agree! Grin
 
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