Simviation Forum - The times they are a changin'...

Reply #15 - Mar 27^th, 2005 at 5:58pm

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Supercruise is the ability to reach and maintain a supersonic cruising speed without using afterburners. Sorry Concorde fans, it can't do it. Tongue

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Reply #16 - Mar 28^th, 2005 at 11:02pm

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Saratoga, if you are thinking of infering that Concorde wasn't capable of supercruise, then please, take a trip HERE, then come back and tell us all how it managed flying for hours in afterburner, without towing a fuel trailer behind itself.......?
Further info is available HERE.....I was lucky enough to find this online. I have a copy of the same book, brought back from Heathrow, back in the early 80's by my mother.

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Reply #17 - Mar 30^th, 2005 at 8:17pm

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Well I shall rephrase. But only after this: And I quote:
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...exceed Mach 1 in level flight without afterburners...able to cruise at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners...

The Concorde cannot reach it's Mach 2 cruising speed without afterburners, period. Due to the huge drag curve between Mach 1 and Mach 1.4, it's impossible (well a dive perhaps...). It CAN supercruise at like Mach 1.05 and it can easily cruise at Mach 2, just it can't reach 2 without the burners.

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Reply #18 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 2:45pm

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I'd like to see an F22 reach mach 2 with out afterburners either.

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Reply #19 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 4:05pm

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typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.

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Reply #20 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 4:19pm

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typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.

Which the Typhoons will never ever be allowed to go near. Not allowed to have fun anymore... Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 5:01pm

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typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.

Still slower than the Lightning then. Tongue

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Reply #22 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 5:03pm

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i know its tough, but please Woody. Let the Lightning go. Her service has come to an end and she isnt coming back. Grin

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Reply #23 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 5:05pm

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But more economical and with slightly better avionics and defensive aids. and the pilot has to dress up to look like and alien... Wink

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Reply #24 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 5:07pm

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which is always cool:) Plus they are just a little safer:)

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Reply #25 - Mar 31^st, 2005 at 6:04pm

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Poppycock! Just lame excuses for not being able to develop a fighter better than one made 50 years ago. Grin

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Reply #26 - Apr 3^rd, 2005 at 1:24pm

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Poppycock! Just lame excuses for not being able to develop a fighter better than one made 50 years ago. Grin

I agree!

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