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Payware PSS A320 series. Questions (Read 780 times)
Mar 16
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I have the A320 payware series from PSS (A319, A320, A321).
I like them all but I can't quite decide what's the difference between them.
They all look the same, and aside from a different weight and power they feel the same.
Do you guys fly any of these? What do you think of them?
Do you have a favorite?
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Mar 16
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Ha!! The forum I had been looking for to post this is the last one at the bottom ...
the one I never see.
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Mar 17
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My favorite out of those 3 is the A320 since many airlines I know of fly the A320...the A321 was pretty much a flop for Airbus..but my favorite Airbus is probally the A330...the A340's engines are to small and on the A340-600 the engines are to big and 2 to many engines
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Mar 17
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Nothing is different in the flight characteristics as that is the Airbus M-O. They are different lengths though
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Mar 18
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Yeah, they aim to keep all the A320 series flight characteristics the same (while they carry different numbers of passengers and so are different lengths) making them more economical for pilots to train and switch between the different types.
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Mar 19
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I am interested in trying a realistic Airbus add-on even though I'm usually a Boeing and MD man. I need to know if the PSS A-320 is fully FS9 compliant. Iknow it was released for FS-2002 and I need to know if everything that was funtional under Fs-2002 carried over to FS9 correctly, FMC, all the various panel instruments, etc.
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Mar 19
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I have FS9.
as far as I can tell it is. I don't know much about the FMC since I use FS Navigator for that, but all visible panels work just fine.
I can try and play with the FMC and let you know what I find out. I tried a while ago and I seem to remember you couldn't enter a flight plan manually but it would pick it up from the FS flight planner.
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Mar 19
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I own the PSS Airbus's and to me, personally, I feel things were left out and that the Airbus's were "generic"...but I have never flown on the cockpit of one so I am not sure...they have a good working MCDU (FMC) but then again it just seems boring to fly in it...
If this is your first payware go purchase the ERJ from Feelthere since it is a regional jet and you can learn things from it, it has no Auto Throttle though
Also from Feelthere is the CRJ a aircraft which I have no clue other than maintencance why a company would by such a slow slow slow climbing aircraft also no Auto Throttle
and last is the B737 from PMDg a very nice a sphisticated aircraft...
All these aicraft though are $40 (U.S.)
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Mar 20
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I recently aquired the 737 NG with some of my Christmas money. It's geat. I can usually only buy add-ons once or twice a year with birthday and Christmas money from my parents. My wife thinks that should be enough but she alway buys new novels to read. I should put my foot down. I cut my advanced airliner sim training on 767 PIC followed by PSS 747/777 package. I also have the 742 RFP. I would like a regional jet though and am considering the ERJ-145. I hear its a lot more distinctive and complete than the CRJ. Would like a T-prop commuter also. I use the fanda dash-8 for that but it's a frame hog because of the sound set and the bitmaps which are formatted to look best at very high res. Therefor, the Flight 1 ATR is under consideration as well as the US version of the Eurowings collection. I really like flying the oldies though and using CIVA and math. I spend a lot of time flying the George Carty 707, HJG DC-8's and the Richard Probst 727-200. I also have a great L-1011 with a fully functional everything. It's called the OM Wings L-1011. I think it went payware but I have a beta which for a limited time he was allowing download for free. It's a good one though. The entire overhead and everything on the "plumbers" panel is fully functional. No VC though which I don't care about anyway. So, lacking an auto-throttle is no big issue to me because I am very used to actually having my hands my yoke, throttle, and feet on the pedals and actually FLYING the aircraft. I even do IFR minimum landings by hand except I do let my auto-pilot take care of my track and I handle the glide slope with throttle, flaps and trim.
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Mar 20
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The PSS airbus. Not that realistic since it doesn't even replicate the Airbus flight characteristics (remember ROLL RATE not BANK ANGLE!)
Also in the real bus there's no requirement to change pitch trim for changes in airspeed, configuration, or bank up to 33 degrees...PSS tries to simulate it but you still have to manually trim especially during the approach.
The FMS is not complete, no ADIRS modelled. Overhead is mostly dummy switches.
The airbus is very computer driven, which takes care of a myriad of functions...some of them are impossible to modell due to the limitations of the FS engine.
Regardless that, The PSS airbus is a very dumbed down Airbus for the casual simmer I would say.
And PSS charges you for liveries
SSW are working on a brand new A320, the previews looks good, but SSW has a history of releasing buggy aircrafts. 8)
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Mar 20
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[quote author=Gary R. link=board=paywaregen;num=1111007512;start=0#8 date=03/20/05 at 01:22:58] I should put my foot down. quote]
Don't get divorced over FS..many pilots get divorced orer aviation which is just plane dumb...always remeber that
As far as the CRJ for some reason many people have problems but me...the CRJ was my first aircraft I really liked in "real life"
but always remember....the CRJ above FL20 is a very slow climber. and It has no A/T
Also I have the ATR from Flight 1 very sophisticated (to me) alot of buttons ( something a pilot should never say
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The PSS airbus. Not that realistic since it doesn't even replicate the Airbus flight characteristics (remember ROLL RATE not BANK ANGLE!)
Also in the real bus there's no requirement to change pitch trim for changes in airspeed, configuration, or bank up to 33 degrees...PSS tries to simulate it but you still have to manually trim especially during the approach.
The FMS is not complete, no ADIRS modelled. Overhead is mostly dummy switches.
The airbus is very computer driven, which takes care of a myriad of functions...some of them are impossible to modell due to the limitations of the FS engine.
Regardless that, The PSS airbus is a very dumbed down Airbus for the casual simmer I would say.
And PSS charges you for liveries
SSW are working on a brand new A320, the previews looks good, but SSW has a history of releasing buggy aircrafts. 8)
The PSS A330/340 does not have that problem. The only reason that the A320's do is due to problems converting over to FS2004.
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Mar 21
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Actually, I have the 330/340 package and comparing that to how the real aircraft is programmed to behave, I can assure you that the PSS airbus is not realistic.
The FBW system is simply too advanced to program in FS
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Mar 21
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Actually, I have the 330/340 package and comparing that to how the real aircraft is programmed to behave, I can assure you that the PSS airbus is not realistic.
The FBW system is simply too advanced to program in FS
Oh, I didn't realize that you were a trained Airbus Captain. I apologize.
Until I see your certification I'll take your opinions with a grain of salt. I'm not trying to be an a$%, but with the amount of planes I see you purchasing and posting shots of, I highly doubt that you spend enough time with each one to gain a solid understanding of each.
And by no means is it the fault of PSS that FS cannot handle the systems that the plane they design uses.
I personally find the PSS Buses fun to fly and far and above any other airbus products on the market. Here's a big shocker too, none of the planes that we fly in FS handle anything like their realworld counterparts. I guess that is a PSS problem too? FS just simply doesn't have the physics engine to calculate the aerodynamics the way that is necessary for a realistic simulation. When flying addon planes you really have to compromise to get an addon that you'll find suitable and enjoyable.
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Mar 21
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No, I'm not an Airbus captain
But I have the real Airbus A320 manual and my instructor is an A330 captain so I have already discussed the flaws of PSS airbus series with him.
The Airbus is (usually) flown in Normal law, which covers 3-axis control, flight envelope protection and load alleviation.
it has 3 modes
Ground
Flight
Flare
Now here's the breakdown:
The Flare mode is not modelled.
You need rudder pedal feedback for turn coordination functions
Pitch attitude protection is non existant, same with Bank angle and Flight Augmentation (Yaw)
Conclusion: It's not really an airbus you are flying
Now I have perfect understanding of the task the programmers have to face. One of my friend's is a beta tester for PMDG so I know how hard it is to develop these things.
I actually enjoy PSS aircrafts aswell.
But to call the PSS A330/340 series för realistic, that is false marketing indeed.
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