Simviation Forum - ILS Landing

Mar 15^th, 2005 at 4:03pm

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Please! Could someone tell me how to do an ILS landing for fs2002? For a 737 panel, the default one.
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Reply #1 - Mar 15^th, 2005 at 6:25pm

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I dont fly the 737 much, but the idea is still the same...

First of all, you need to determine the ILS frequency of the runway for the airport your landing at. You can find that out in the map. Also note the exact heading of the runway. Enter that frequency onto your Nav 1 control head and turn your course knob for your HSI to the exact course you found earlier. This all together will give you ILS information.

To land with the autopilot on ILS, simply turn on your autopilot, make sure your aircraft is approaching the runway below the glideslope, and click the approach button, and once your aircraft picks up the localizer and glideslope, it should automatically align and glide your aircraft for you. Dont forget to flare!

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Reply #2 - Mar 15^th, 2005 at 7:50pm

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The much more complicated and FS ATC version. ATC will leave you about 20 miles out on the correct heading and at a good altitude to interept the ILS most of the time. As stated before, make sure your NAV 1 radio is tuned to the ILS frequency (found on the map), and your course is set to the correct heading. And make sure your NAV/GPS switch is set on NAV!

Let the aircraft establish on the heading and altitude set by ATC (should be about 30 degrees from the runway heading and about 1500-2000 feet above the ground) using the Autopilot HDG and ALT modes. Once it's established, just hit the APR button. If you are pretty far out, the APR button will light up and nothing else will change. When it gets ready to line up with the runway, the HDG button will automatically click off (good time for flaps 5 abd your desired landing speed) and the aircraft will turn to the runway heading. When the glidescope needle starts moving (on the side of the attitude indicator) extend your landing gear and flaps 15. The ALT button the Autopilot will disconnect and it will eventually find and capture the glidescope. Once the glidescope indicator is in the center, go to full flaps (or flaps 30, your choice depending on runway conditions) and check your autospoilers are armed. At about 200 feet above the runway, click the autopilot off and hand fly the approach.

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Reply #3 - Mar 16^th, 2005 at 10:46am

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Thanks guys, but how do you find the ILS frequency? Because when you click on the green long triangle near an airport, it doesn't tell you what the frequency.

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Reply #4 - Mar 16^th, 2005 at 3:33pm

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Hit the star sign on your panel, or go to "World, Map". When you're there click on the airport (not the ILS feather) and it'll give you the freqs.

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Reply #5 - Mar 17^th, 2005 at 10:51pm

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MAKE SURE if you are at an airport with multiple ILS's that you pick the right one (i.e. if there is a 16L and R, pick the correct one you want to land on). I've made that mistake and it's not fun.

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Reply #6 - Mar 18^th, 2005 at 1:38pm

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your course is set to the correct heading.

How do I find that?

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Reply #7 - Mar 18^th, 2005 at 10:22pm

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When you go the airport in the map it says something to the effect of:
Runway: Length: ILS Freq: ILS Heading:
16L 14,000 feet 109.35 159

Kinda sorta, you get the idea.

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Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2005 at 3:24pm

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here is my technique
click on the top side of the dash board of the panel and pull it up so that you cannot see anytrhing out side

then open your GPS and prey to god that you dont touch down in water.

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Reply #9 - Apr 2^nd, 2005 at 12:10am

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ok when you have the autopilot set to land for you, is there any way you can set the thorttle to do the work for you also or do you have to control the spped yourself?

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Reply #10 - Apr 2^nd, 2005 at 9:59am

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Actually, you are NOT allowed to perform autolandings with manual throttle, the throttle needs to be under the authority of the auto flight system.

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Reply #11 - Apr 2^nd, 2005 at 1:27pm

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Basically, Nexus means use the Autothrottle capability. Wink

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Reply #12 - Apr 2^nd, 2005 at 1:33pm

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ok so i jsut switch the autothorttle to on and it will power up and power down for me?

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Reply #13 - Apr 3^rd, 2005 at 1:00am

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You need to do three things-

1. Set the speed you want (for example, 135) in the KIAS/Mach window on the AP stack.

2. Turn the A/T (autothrottle) on.

3. Hit the SPD hold button.

You can do #1 and #2 in any order, but always do #3 last. That should cover it. Grin

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Reply #14 - Apr 3^rd, 2005 at 5:26am

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Lol, in most of my landings my aeroplane usually sinks into the runway on "impact" Sad

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Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2005 at 7:02am

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Lol, in most of my landings my aeroplane usually sinks into the runway on "impact" Sad

Well, it has to get on the ground one way or another Grin

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Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2005 at 1:52pm

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Well concordski, that is a good way to land. Gotta admit, you can put that thing on one heck of a short strip that way.

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Reply #17 - Apr 4^th, 2005 at 1:48am

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Lol, in most of my landings my aeroplane usually sinks into the runway on "impact" Sad

ur probly hitting the runway way to hard.

In some planes the auto pilot can land the plane with plain old Approach hold because of the ground effect.

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Reply #18 - Apr 4^th, 2005 at 6:43pm

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In some planes the auto pilot can land the plane with plain old Approach hold because of the ground effect.

Ground effect? What ground effect. I don't feel that in the sim. With the small planes, the C172/182 are great at it, the autopilot will make a perfect ILS approach at 60 knots and will even flare (due to the glidescope jumping up) and touch down very very smoothly. Anywhere from 120-160 knots will break the 737's mains off during landing, so that little trick doesn't quite work for it.

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Reply #19 - Apr 4^th, 2005 at 6:48pm

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Make sure the Flight Director (FD) is on also

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Reply #20 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 7:08am

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Make sure the Flight Director (FD) is on also

Yeah, I think thats on, two things though, FS isn't very good at lining up up for a landing, try an approach to Kastrup airport in Copenhagen, Denmark from London direction! And I always extend the flaps fully, and what are slats?!?

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Reply #21 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 7:48am

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Slats are leading edge flaps

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Reply #22 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 9:21am

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in heavys i can feal ground affect heaps, well at least in some of my planes. Also on the discorvery channel.
A 747 pilot said because of the huge body of the plane it has huge ground affect, Making it so you dont have to flare as much.
Also because of the C17s large landing gear I heard that it dosnt need to flare because of, the heavy duty landing gear, and ground affect

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Reply #23 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 9:25am

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if i am wrong,
helos are aircraft, so ground affect is major for them Tongue

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Reply #24 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 3:15pm

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Trust me, 172s need to flare. I learned that quick enough. Grin

In FS, slats are automatically deployed with the first degree of flaps set in.

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Reply #25 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 5:33pm

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In FS, slats are automatically deployed with the first degree of flaps set in.

Same procedure in real world aswell. Take the 737, for example.
Flaps 1 is equal to the first segment of slats being extended (trailing edge flaps are still retracted)

When you select flaps 5 (flaps 2 are usually disregarded) the slats will extend furthermore along with the trailing edge devices.

So the flap numbering is not corresponding to actual flap angle

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Reply #26 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 7:32pm

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Also flaps 30 is the most common used flaps on the 737 for the approach, and don't flare to much, especially on short runways because for some damb reason a 737 can hover for 300 miles at 100 kts, joking of course Wink

, it just seems sometimes when I land that I can hover for a good 200 feet while flaring (lifting the nose up , not sure if you knew about that) and causing me to go some what off the centerline...

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Reply #27 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 8:40pm

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I can't remember the last time I floated a landing... (that's a bad thing) Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 10:06pm

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I can't remember the last time I floated a landing... (that's a bad thing) Roll Eyes

I should have said it, but I was referring the the Feelthere ERJ, and CRJ I own...very realistic but I will fly the approach and it sometimes will be a little (10 kts) bit above the landing speed +5, anyways if you own these aircraft you would understand what I am talking about and how the hover

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Reply #29 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 11:58pm

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I meant that it's a bad thing that I haven't floated it in a while... not that it's a bad thing to float (this means I'm always hitting the ground with quite a bit of force).

Hope that clears it up. (my head hurts)

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Reply #30 - Apr 6^th, 2005 at 7:26am

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Also flaps 30 is the most common used flaps on the 737 for the approach, and don't flare to much, especially on short runways because for some damb reason a 737 can hover for 300 miles at 100 kts, joking of course Wink

, it just seems sometimes when I land that I can hover for a good 200 feet while flaring (lifting the nose up , not sure if you knew about that) and causing me to go some what off the centerline...

Oh, I use full flaps on all aircraft all the time!

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Reply #31 - Apr 6^th, 2005 at 11:02pm

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Flaps 1 in the 737 does move the flaps. It unlocks them which causes them to shift slightly.

Flaps 30 is the standard flaps used for landing on a medium-long dry runway. Flaps 40 is typically used though because it provides more drag, quicker landings, and is easier to get to the gate. The flaps are also kept in better condition if occasionally run through their full length. I was taught to use 40 wherever possible in training.

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