Simviation Forum - ILS Landing

Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2005 at 7:02am

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Lol, in most of my landings my aeroplane usually sinks into the runway on "impact" Sad

Well, it has to get on the ground one way or another Grin

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Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2005 at 1:52pm

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Well concordski, that is a good way to land. Gotta admit, you can put that thing on one heck of a short strip that way.

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Reply #17 - Apr 4^th, 2005 at 1:48am

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Lol, in most of my landings my aeroplane usually sinks into the runway on "impact" Sad

ur probly hitting the runway way to hard.

In some planes the auto pilot can land the plane with plain old Approach hold because of the ground effect.

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Reply #18 - Apr 4^th, 2005 at 6:43pm

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In some planes the auto pilot can land the plane with plain old Approach hold because of the ground effect.

Ground effect? What ground effect. I don't feel that in the sim. With the small planes, the C172/182 are great at it, the autopilot will make a perfect ILS approach at 60 knots and will even flare (due to the glidescope jumping up) and touch down very very smoothly. Anywhere from 120-160 knots will break the 737's mains off during landing, so that little trick doesn't quite work for it.

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Reply #19 - Apr 4^th, 2005 at 6:48pm

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Make sure the Flight Director (FD) is on also

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Reply #20 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 7:08am

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Make sure the Flight Director (FD) is on also

Yeah, I think thats on, two things though, FS isn't very good at lining up up for a landing, try an approach to Kastrup airport in Copenhagen, Denmark from London direction! And I always extend the flaps fully, and what are slats?!?

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Reply #21 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 7:48am

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Slats are leading edge flaps

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Reply #22 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 9:21am

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in heavys i can feal ground affect heaps, well at least in some of my planes. Also on the discorvery channel.
A 747 pilot said because of the huge body of the plane it has huge ground affect, Making it so you dont have to flare as much.
Also because of the C17s large landing gear I heard that it dosnt need to flare because of, the heavy duty landing gear, and ground affect

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Reply #23 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 9:25am

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if i am wrong,
helos are aircraft, so ground affect is major for them Tongue

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Reply #24 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 3:15pm

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Trust me, 172s need to flare. I learned that quick enough. Grin

In FS, slats are automatically deployed with the first degree of flaps set in.

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Reply #25 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 5:33pm

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In FS, slats are automatically deployed with the first degree of flaps set in.

Same procedure in real world aswell. Take the 737, for example.
Flaps 1 is equal to the first segment of slats being extended (trailing edge flaps are still retracted)

When you select flaps 5 (flaps 2 are usually disregarded) the slats will extend furthermore along with the trailing edge devices.

So the flap numbering is not corresponding to actual flap angle

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Reply #26 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 7:32pm

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Also flaps 30 is the most common used flaps on the 737 for the approach, and don't flare to much, especially on short runways because for some damb reason a 737 can hover for 300 miles at 100 kts, joking of course Wink

, it just seems sometimes when I land that I can hover for a good 200 feet while flaring (lifting the nose up , not sure if you knew about that) and causing me to go some what off the centerline...

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Reply #27 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 8:40pm

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I can't remember the last time I floated a landing... (that's a bad thing) Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 10:06pm

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I can't remember the last time I floated a landing... (that's a bad thing) Roll Eyes

I should have said it, but I was referring the the Feelthere ERJ, and CRJ I own...very realistic but I will fly the approach and it sometimes will be a little (10 kts) bit above the landing speed +5, anyways if you own these aircraft you would understand what I am talking about and how the hover

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Reply #29 - Apr 5^th, 2005 at 11:58pm

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I meant that it's a bad thing that I haven't floated it in a while... not that it's a bad thing to float (this means I'm always hitting the ground with quite a bit of force).

Hope that clears it up. (my head hurts)

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