Simviation Forum - Another tricky one

Mar 15^th, 2005 at 5:48am

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That Ryan was just a throwaway- anybody care to name this beast?

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Reply #1 - Mar 15^th, 2005 at 6:00am

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Looks interesting- must be Italian... Wink

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Reply #2 - Mar 15^th, 2005 at 6:02am

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From the No Smoking sign above the door it's French - or an Italian aircraft in France. Wink

I have no idea what it is though.

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Reply #3 - Mar 15^th, 2005 at 6:06am

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From the No Smoking sign above the door it's French - or an Italian aircraft in France. Wink

I have no idea what it is though.

Neither have I - thought it may have been something from Mr Caproni and one of his ridiculous ducted fans... Grin

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Reply #4 - Mar 15^th, 2005 at 4:58pm

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You're all doing well, so I will grant you that it is in fact French. But this is one of the designs that inspired Caproni- not the other way around. Predates his "tunnel planes" by quite a bit...

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Reply #5 - Mar 15^th, 2005 at 7:42pm

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Looking at the photo it's definetly a very very early design. Still using wing warping and a forward and aft tailplane. It's built by a factory, not an individual I would guess, since it appears there is a plane on the left side of the picture.

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Reply #6 - Mar 16^th, 2005 at 7:02am

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Looking at the photo it's definetly a very very early design. Still using wing warping and a forward and aft tailplane. It's built by a factory, not an individual I would guess, since it appears there is a plane on the left side of the picture.

Not sure how many were produced, but I will tell you that if you look closer (the wires attached to the main wing are just for bracing), you'll see that instead of warping the main wing, they tried ailerons on the canard! Those tips rotated...I doubt it was very controllable in flight, if it ever got off the ground.

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Reply #7 - Mar 16^th, 2005 at 8:14am

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Not sure how many were produced, but I will tell you that if you look closer (the wires attached to the main wing are just for bracing), you'll see that instead of warping the main wing, they tried ailerons on the canard! Those tips rotated...I doubt it was very controllable in flight, if it ever got off the ground.

I wouldn't be so sure about that - I suspect this aircraft uses a combination of elevators on the foreplane and conventional tail. They appear very similar to the elavators that appear on types such as the Bleriot XI - ie a central tail section, with all moving outer surfaces...

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Reply #8 - Mar 16^th, 2005 at 4:54pm

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I wouldn't be so sure about that - I suspect this aircraft uses a combination of elevators on the foreplane and conventional tail. They appear very similar to the elavators that appear on types such as the Bleriot XI - ie a central tail section, with all moving outer surfaces...

The magazine I got this from claims those little paddles on the canard are ailerons, and I believe it. The rigging on the wings doesn't look like warping gear to me, and it sort of looks like those two paddles are set at slightly different angles in this photo (one up slightly, one down slightly- remember that even on modern planes, the aileron in its up position is not as far off the edge of the wing as it is when down). I should probably do a little more research on this thing, though...
But how about its name? Anybody? Here's a hint: it's a French proper name; male.

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Reply #9 - Mar 16^th, 2005 at 9:20pm

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Pegoud ?

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Reply #10 - Mar 17^th, 2005 at 6:00am

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Nope. I just realized that it's also an English name, technically... and of course when I do reveal it, everyone will just sit there and blink, because it's not a famous airplane at all. I couldn't find any info at all on this thing online...

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Reply #11 - Mar 17^th, 2005 at 6:50am

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Claude...

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Reply #12 - Mar 17^th, 2005 at 4:22pm

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No. This is devolving into "20 Questions", so I'll give.
It's a Bertrand, ca. 1910, and that's all I know, other than the claimed function of those canrd paddles. Interesting, though, that its tunnel-fuselage design predates even Caproni's first efforts.
Get ready for the next one...!

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Reply #13 - Mar 17^th, 2005 at 4:35pm

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I've never met an Englishman called Bertrand.

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Reply #14 - Mar 17^th, 2005 at 5:10pm

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I've never met an Englishman called Bertrand.

Bertrand Russell? I never met him either but I'm sure there are others.

Well done Rotty. That was a real stumper. One thing though, surely these pioneers tested their brilliant ideas by building a flying (or not) model first? Or maybe that never occurred to them.

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Reply #15 - Mar 17^th, 2005 at 10:47pm

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They tested it by crashing. That was the general idea.

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Reply #16 - Mar 18^th, 2005 at 9:04pm

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I've never met an Englishman called Bertrand.

How about Bert? Whatcha think that stands for? Wink

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Reply #17 - Mar 18^th, 2005 at 10:46pm

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How about Bert? Whatcha think that stands for? Wink

Robert or maybe Albert, and what about Herbert?

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Reply #18 - Mar 19^th, 2005 at 9:41am

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How about Bert? Whatcha think that stands for? Wink

As as been said, Robert or Albert. Wink

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Reply #19 - Mar 20^th, 2005 at 12:31am

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Ouch rotty, that sucks. Wink

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Reply #20 - Apr 7^th, 2005 at 4:38pm

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Waitaminnit now, Bert stands for Bertrand, and for Albert or Herbert it'd be Al or Herb... that's right...
Buncha smartasses... rasherfrashershnasher.... Angry