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Nah, we won't worry about it...I doubt that your pilots that took part in these simulations know how to fly our aircraft to even 1/2 their potential and I don't see any detailed specs on the Su-35...do you? If you do - I suggest you keep a low profile (Its classified material and will be for the next 8 years(atleast)) and I am not talking about the general specs...that doesn't say much.

One thing that you fail to recognize is that the Su-37 has 3D Thrust vectoring, not the older thrust vectoring systems that we have on the Su-27MKI's (Note, thats MKI and not MK1 --they are different aircraft, please don't confuse them...the MKI would get offended  its like calling a 737NG a 737 Classic - kinda rude)
The Su-37 has been put into production but no chance of it being exported for another 8 years (at the least) unless they decide to downgrade the export versions (no need to do that, they can just sell some MKI's since the 37 is basically a further modified MKI and it would cost alot)
Please let me clear something up: many of you think that Russia and it's people are poor. I don't blame you for thinking these things, but please in the future, don't read as much biased western press...really wake up: Khodorkovsky is a criminal (not a hero), Putin isn't a dictator (he finally got us back on our feet and regained control), the war in chechnya is OVER (and has been for about 2.5 years now), the chechen 'rebels' aren't rebels, they are terrorists (NOT the population of the republic - but those that feel the need to start a juhad against the wishes of the population of the republic are terrorists (our neighbours are from Chechenya - very nice people, they dispursed alot of myths that I had about the situation there) and last of all - we are not poor! There are many factors that those 'smart people' don't consider when they make such assumptions and state them as facts. (I'm sorry that I got us into politics, I just wanted to clear several myths about Russia since few of you have been here but many of you speak as if you live here and know all there is to know In fact, I live here and I don't know all there is to know - but I guarantee you that I know more than most of you about my country )
Our airforce isn't as bad or as underfunded as you think it is, our pilots are probably better trained than alot of the U.S. and Brittish pilots so lets not make assumptions without backing it up, allrigt? As they say: When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME!
By the way, India has frequent crashes due to poor maintanence, we rarely do. If you look at the ammount of crashes in peacetime that occur within the USAF and the Airforce of the Russian Federation, the USAF has way more crashes. The fact is, crashes occur when you have such a complex piece of machinery, its inevitable, all we can do is introduce systems that reduce the number of these occurances. In my opinion, the Su-37 is currently the best aircraft in the world, nobody comes close to it at the moment. That is not only my opinion but the opinion of many qualified people! Heck, the Americans themselves admitted that it is better than anything they have! Now regarding the F-22, let's wait and see, and ONLY then compare the aircraft...remember dont ASSUME. As a matter of fact, I myself considered going into the Air Force but decided not to...although this has to do with other factors (I lived in Canada for 7 years...this pretty much guarantes the fact that I would not climb any higher than a Senior Liutenant 
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P.S. I would be glad to clear up any 'myths' you have about Russia, feel free to PM or email! We are all here to learn.

Maybe we should set up some kind of simulated world war. Then we'll see whose fighters are best.


I kinda liked the times after the german reunion, when the Luftwaffe was a mixed bag of western and eastern aircraft. But sadly, all of the MiGs, MIs and SUs are sold or scrapped by now, and considering the purchase of some newer equipment from Russia or the Ukraine wasn't an option for our MoD. I would have loved to see An-70s in the Luftwaffe, but sadly, we're now going for that stupid and expensive A-400M. All to keep up the european unity. :/

I usually don't reply to posts like these since it's all speculation and in war there is no speculation only reality.

Everything was more or less going fine with some interesting discussion and than "boom"
Nationalism stinks it all up.

Although I am an American (whatever that means) I served in 3 wars in the Israeli army and I am now 56 yrs old. I was in the tank corps but witnessed many aerial battles.

I've seen Mig 21s shot down by Skyhawks (slow and low-no manuverability no escape).

No one can simulate combat or war and unless you've been there it is beyond what you can understand !!!!!!!!

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the flag-waving.

Russian against the US and European against Russia and the US ? What is this ?

US lies about Russia ? US Lies about everything ? Russia lies Europe lies?

I thought your generation learned something and somehow were supposed to be more understanding and tolerant

Judging by these posts you are as nationalistic and as capable of hate as every other generation.

When the hell will you grow-up. After you kill a few million more.

I wish that all of you will never see a war or fight in one

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I disagree on that one. The Skyhawk is the by far most manoeuverable Sub-Sonic aircraft I've ever seen (the Harrier left out of consideration). And since the "E" was avaiable, it also had better chances of defending itself (Sidewinders).
And the Navy wasn't using it in the Fighter Weapons School for nothing.

And you're right - nationalism is an evil thing.

Oh, yeah, I misunderstood what you said.

When I'm flying in Sims, I'm only flying with the highest realism level possible, so I somehow know the way an A-4 polit feels during a dogfight with MiGs.

Ramsa, i am not saying i want to see these aircraft up against each other in real warfare. Every few years as you may or may not be aware the various nations get together with their best aircraft and send them up in the air for mock combat. Everything from long range targeting to close in dogfights. This is what i want to see from the new aircraft, barring any accidents no-one gets hurt and the general public like us get to find out the aircrafts ability against each other.
As for countries lying? No, however they will never give away key secrets about their own aircraft and will always fight over who has the best.
And as for nationalistic pride. Damn right, i am proud that the UK has produced something to be proud of with the help of its European partners. It makes a change for once. However i have also given credit to both the US and Russia for their products, as all of them are of high quality and ability.

The relationship between the GDR and the USSR was of a different kind than the one between Iraq and the USSR.
So it's quite logical that NVA aircraft were equipped better than regular export versions.

Igorski, I'm talking about Strike Fighters here, a pretty realistic rendition of air to air combat in the 1960s. The flight model of the jets is nowhere near the CFS series.