Simviation Forum - pondering

Reply #30 - Mar 8^th, 2005 at 10:30pm

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I knew there was some sort of horsepower limit.

I've read somewhere what the requirements were. And it's on my license, so I should know. I even pulled out my Student Pilot's Flight Manual (hey it helps in the airline business), nothing in there about it.

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Reply #31 - Mar 9^th, 2005 at 6:15am

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LOL. I've seen people sit on them then jump up screaming, kinda funny, I have to turn my back and laugh at them.

Also there are the really smooth people who slide into them and "trip" and fall into the window or side of the aircraft. Roll Eyes

Hehe... have you ever actually seen a "large" passenger use two seats?

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Reply #32 - Mar 9^th, 2005 at 11:50am

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From FAR/AIM 2003, FAR 61-12, 61.31, (e), Additional training required for operating complex airplanes.: (1) ...no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller...), unless the person has-
(i) Recieved and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane...
(ii) Recieved a one-time endorsment in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is
proficient to operate a complex airplane.

(2) The training and endorsment required by paragraph (e)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as PIC of a complex airplane...prior to August 4, 1997.

61.31 (f) Same mumbo-jumbo about high-performance airplanes which are defined as and airplane w/ an engine of more than 200 horsepower.

So to fly an airplane w/ an adjustable pitch prop, gear, and flaps you would need a complex rating and if that, or any other airplane you intend to fly has over 200 horsepower, you would need a high-performance aircraft rating. So, I guess we were all partially right Tongue

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Reply #33 - Mar 9^th, 2005 at 12:33pm

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Wow, I did all of that reading for nothing!

I'm glad to see someone cleared this up for people, I was going to quote the bible (FAR/AIM book to all of you non-pilots) word for word to explain it Grin

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Reply #34 - Mar 9^th, 2005 at 8:23pm

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From FAR/AIM 2003, FAR 61-12, 61.31, (e), Additional training required for operating complex airplanes.: (1) ...no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller...), unless the person has-
(i) Recieved and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane...
(ii) Recieved a one-time endorsment in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is
proficient to operate a complex airplane.

(2) The training and endorsment required by paragraph (e)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as PIC of a complex airplane...prior to August 4, 1997.

61.31 (f) Same mumbo-jumbo about high-performance airplanes which are defined as and airplane w/ an engine of more than 200 horsepower.

So to fly an airplane w/ an adjustable pitch prop, gear, and flaps you would need a complex rating and if that, or any other airplane you intend to fly has over 200 horsepower, you would need a high-performance aircraft rating. So, I guess we were all partially right Tongue

Yeah, but it's not a "rating" as defined by FAR/AIM; it's an "endorsement".

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Reply #35 - Mar 9^th, 2005 at 8:54pm

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Same thing kinda Grin

. You need to take lessons for it then have some qualified person tell you you can do it on your own. Rating, Endorsment, whatever you want to call it, fine by me. Wink

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Reply #36 - Mar 9^th, 2005 at 11:38pm

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I just look for the FAA's words to describe the FAA's laws...

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Reply #37 - Mar 11^th, 2005 at 12:20am

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Hmm, heres the wording "an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, AND a controllable pitch propeller"

I would assume that you need all 3 in order to classify as a complex aircraft otherwise it would be an or instead of an and... whew!!! Grin

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Reply #38 - Mar 12^th, 2005 at 9:23pm

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Hehe... have you ever actually seen a "large" passenger use two seats? �

Yup. I've seen many people stretch out when the seats next to them were open, but I have actually seen "large" passengers take as many seats as they could. Have had to argue with them before (I'm not the standard cooperative airline pilot) when they believed they deserved the adjacent seats more than the people who paid for them.

Though if there is a person in the adjacent seat traveling alone, and there are open seats in F/C, I might just upgrade them. Cheesy

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