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Mar 3rd, 2005 at 10:15pm

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ok, well, I am only 14, and want fly planes, at least just for fun, and first of all, how much does it cost usually to get a liscense, I am thinking then when I have one, to get a plane, how much do planes usually cost, I am not very smart when it comes to all this, but thought asking you guys would be the best way, as I see many of you are pilots and have planes, also, to be an airline pilot, do you need to be in the airforce, or can you just apply there after flying for a while?  to be an airline pilot, do you need to go to a flight college or something, haha, I may sound like an idiot cause I really dont know a lot, and have heard from many of you and know many are pilots, any help would be highly appreciated
 

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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2005 at 10:32pm

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A private pilot's license costs around $3K

A used plane is $18K or more, a new one will run you $150K +

All of this plus insurance, fuel and maintenance.

My advice:

Save your pennies, go to college and major in something that makes big money and, more importantly, you like and go from there. Even if you can afford a PPL now, you can't get it until you are 17.

As for being a commercial pilot, take the same route, have a plan B, C and D and save save save! To get from student pilot to airline pilot will probably cost you around $50K.

Someone else can explain how you get the licenses, I'm tired and filled with numbers right now Grin
 

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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2005 at 10:56pm

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ok, thanks, yeah, i plan on having backups and stuff, lol, cause yeah, it can all crash through, i thought it would be much more expensive too, thanks a lot!
 

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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2005 at 11:42pm

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Prices on flying lessons vary wildly from place to place. Im going to be spending about $2400 for a PPL, but an alternative place (also a closer place) would cost me $4000+. Ive heard some people who live in different areas say that it is costing them $20,000 or more. So before you start, shop around. Also, heres a good site for pricing used planes: http://www.controller.com/
 

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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2005 at 11:59pm

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Because I am 6'5", I had to take lessons in a 172 and it took me about 42 hrs to get my license and close to $5,000 after all the tests and supplies needed.  Rates at my local airport are about $90 per hour for a 172 wet and $120 w/ an instructor (about 2/3 of training).  To expensive for me, I spend all my money now on flying, but I am in college and not working so if you were working all week, then flying on weekends, it might work out better.  Good luck. Tongue Wink
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 12:11am

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Hello,

Its nice to see you have an interest in real world flying.  Prices to get a liscence can vary, depending on several things such as landing fees if applicable, price of aviation fuel, and the behind the stage charges from your flight school.  You can expect the private liscence to be around $5000+.  But of course, it depends on where you are, and can be lower or higher. 

How much does it cost for a plane?  Well... I don't own one, and Im not sure I will for quite some time.  I remember seeing a 172 for 200000 ish.  And it costs a lot to maintain aircraft according to the law as well.  But you dont have to own a plane to fly for fun Smiley

To be an airline pilot, you do not need to be in the air force.  Air force experience helps because you get your share of airtime as well, and its an economical way of doing it.  Just have to balance your lifestyle with money on that one.  I believe that once you get your Airline transport pilot liscence, which is thousands of hours away, you can start flying the larger aircraft Smiley

Hope this answers your questions  Smiley


Oh by the way, even though I never started early, I think when your around 15-16ish you can start learning to fly if you want, won't be getting your liscence right away but you can get some hours if you want to put some money into it.   Wink
 

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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 12:38am

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Yeah, you can solo at 16 and get your license at 17 in the US, I don't know about other places.
 

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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 11:15am

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I like the use of (,) instead of full stops!, blimey what would my English teacher say!  Wink Wink Grin

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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 1:12pm

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i'd say a more accurate estimate for PPL would be in the $5,000 range.  i got my license at the very minimum required and still put about about 5 grand.  Also for buying a plane... $18,000 would practically get you an ultralight.  A safe price to start out, I would say, is starting more toward 35,000 at least.  And as they previously mentioned... maintenance costs are increadible for airplanes. 

But, don't let any of this detract you from starting flying now!  It's a great blast, and i recommend you go up for your introductory flight ASAP!  You will love it and from that point on, nothing will completely satisfy you untill you're back up there.
 

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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 1:20pm

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I don't know where you're from Naturenut but another way is to join a youth organisation. Many pilots in the UK started out in the Air Training Corps (ATC). This is run under the RAF but there's no obligation to join up. One of the advantages is the gliding courses & Flying Scholarships if you're good enough. You would be just the right age to join but would obviously have to wait until you're old enough before qualifying for any of this. I'm sure other countries have similar organisations. You would learn a lot about aviation & get used to a little discipline which never did any harm to anyone.  Another advantage is meeting people of your own age with similar interests. I highly recommend it.
 

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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 3:59pm

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In the US a great way to be flying before you get your license is to join the Civil Air Patrol. Fly at least 8 times a year and keeps you up in the air.
Even at the minimum required, expect at least 5000 USD. That's in a 172. A 150 or 152 would prolly be around 4000 USD or so, but you can't rent those just anywhere these days. I would say go ahead and get the 172 rating, you'll need it somewhere eventually.
And no, you don't have to be in the Air Force to become an airline pilot. That was my routing since the Air Force pilot training didn't cost anything, but it's definetly not required. The airlines aren't big fans of hot shot fighter pilots, if you go the Air Force way, try your best to fly cargo planes. Airlines LOVE that. I flew both and had no problem getting a job.
Hope it helps.
 

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Reply #11 - Mar 4th, 2005 at 4:53pm

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ok, thanks!  yeah, i dont really want to be in the airforce, at least not now, it seems too dangerous, yeah, i live in US, thanks a lot for all the information on this, I always look at stuff and everything says contact someone, and i dont want to start getting on lists of like 20 different places, as it gets to be too much and they always come back, so thanks a lot for helping me out, you inspired me more to fly, and i cant wait to start, thanks!
 

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Reply #12 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 12:39am

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No problem. Though for an Air Force pilot, now is a great time. They are gettin' lots of flight hours in. Everyone from F-16 pilots to the big C-5 cargo carriers are flying lots and doing their missions. For an AF pilot, this is the time to shine. Wish I was still in sometimes.
 

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Reply #13 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 6:19pm

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of course you need to be 16 before you can join the military  Wink
 

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Reply #14 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 6:45pm

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Reply #15 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 9:52pm

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ya 18 to join enlisted, more (college time) to be an officer.
 

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Reply #16 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 10:03pm

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I stand corrected  Smiley

Well its 16 here in Canada, reserves anyways.
 

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Reply #17 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 10:15pm

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Well you can join the reserves/national guard in America at 17. But can't go active until 18. Wink
 

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Reply #18 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 11:49pm

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i hope i dont need to join anything, lol, or at least to join by choice, and not forced to, seems too dangerous, maybe im wrong, but that is how it seems to someone who doesnt know anyone in armed forces
 

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Reply #19 - Mar 5th, 2005 at 11:59pm

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Thats fine, You don't need to.   Smiley  All in all, what it will get you is flight time at a lesser expense, however it doesnt always put you at an advantage or disadvantage if you do it.  Its really dependant on your lifestyle... Armed forces are not for everyone because it changes your life totally, some people like it, some dont.  The danger is always there, its really a matter of how much you are willing to take.  All in all, follow your dreams!  Smiley
 

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Reply #20 - Mar 6th, 2005 at 10:15pm

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Yup depends on what you want to do with your life and what your current lifestyle is. Big change going from a house to a bunk with a lot of other guys if you join the Army of Marines. Floating on a boat in the Navy. If you join the Air Force at least you can live in a house (I love it).

Some people like the challenge and danger of living in the military. Other's can't take it. Just depends. Do you need the experience, want to serve your country? Or are you better suited to civilian life?
 

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Reply #21 - Mar 7th, 2005 at 4:39pm

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well, hard for me to say as of now, as i am only 14, but yeah, if i were to join anything, it would have to be airforce, i wouldnt want to have to sit in a gunfight on the ground and watch pepole just being shot and bleeding to death, i would never want to see that, with airforce, it seems if you got in a fight you wouldnt be seeing them as much, and wouldnt feel the same, so yeah, if anything, airforce
 

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Reply #22 - Mar 7th, 2005 at 8:25pm

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Air Force: Haul ass over to the combat location, drop a few bombs and provide some air cover, get your ass home.

If you're a fighter pilot of course. If you are cargo, not too much action to see unless your base gets ambushed.
 

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Reply #23 - Mar 7th, 2005 at 8:42pm

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I never been part of air force personally... but yah, the army can be quite traumatic  Grin

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Reply #24 - Mar 7th, 2005 at 9:53pm

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lol marching quite often these days?

Ahh I remember the cadences from Basic. Ahh go away go away!!!

One thing I notice is now when I walk with someone, I automatically get in step with them. Doing that for a few years trains you, it's just what you do in the military. Tongue
 

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Reply #25 - Mar 9th, 2005 at 4:40pm

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i like the idea of flying extremely fast agile fighters, but i just cant imagine having friends shot down and stuff...
 

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Reply #26 - Mar 11th, 2005 at 12:22am

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Yeah... i hear ya  Sad
 

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Reply #27 - Mar 12th, 2005 at 9:19pm

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Honestly, these days that's not a common occurence. The planes are just so well maintained the advent of smart weapons has allowed the pilots to be much further away from the action. And if it gets close, the armour of the modern planes is very capable of protecting the pilot (the A-10 immediately comes to mind).
 

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Reply #28 - Mar 13th, 2005 at 10:51pm

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lol, yeah, isnt the A-10 like a flying rock?
 

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Reply #29 - Mar 14th, 2005 at 6:31pm

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The pilot sits in "the titanium bathtub." It's probably the safest fighter you could possibly fly in, weighs a ton and slow as hell, but the "'tub" can take .50 cal hits straight on and you wouldn't even feel it (you'd sure hear it though!)
 

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