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Feb 24^th, 2005 at 10:04am

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There's a really good article on the A380 (today only) at www.howstuffworks.com.

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Reply #1 - Feb 24^th, 2005 at 12:13pm

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Like the bumblebee and the 747, they're it's so big and ugly the Earth rejects them

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Reply #2 - Feb 24^th, 2005 at 5:33pm

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Like the bumblebee and the 747, they're it's so big and ugly the Earth rejects them

Isn't that how helicopters fly ??? Grin

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Reply #3 - Feb 24^th, 2005 at 10:27pm

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I dunno but I hate the bloody '380.

747's all the way! Nothing against Airbus though, the A-320 I fly is a magnificent peice of work!

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Reply #4 - Feb 24^th, 2005 at 10:34pm

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You either hate or love the A380.

Granted, it's not a beauty queen, but a truly fantastic wonder of modern engineering. Cant take that away.
Cockpit will be even more state of the art than the A320 you fly, and the A320 makes the 737NGs look jurassic Grin

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Reply #5 - Feb 24^th, 2005 at 10:36pm

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Yes, that cockpit, now that I do like. It's not that it's a bad airliner. But putting that many people in one airplane, we don't need another Tenerife. It's just a scary thought, one passing around airline pilots right now.

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Reply #6 - Feb 24^th, 2005 at 10:48pm

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I love Airbus and their cockpits. Have a couple of friends who flies them in europe so I'm always begging them to bring some nice manuals when I meet them Grin

though I wonder why the DDRMI is always INOP?
Can you shed anylight on that?

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Reply #7 - Mar 5^th, 2005 at 10:29pm

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Being a resident of Washington ST. (Boeing country). So although The A-380 is an impressive aircraft I can't seem to like it. Add in the whole subsides thing and I really wouldn't be upset to see Airbus go up in flames, weather financialy or physicaly dosn't matter to me Grin

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Now as far as stratigy goes I think the 7E7/787 is a far better move. 747 sales have been droping for years now while small/medium sales have been going up (ignoring the wrench 9/11 threw in all aircraft sales) and with only 6 airports in the us capable of taking the A-380 and not many more looking to upgrade, where as the 787 can operate anywhere....well you do the math.

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Reply #8 - Mar 5^th, 2005 at 11:18pm

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Thank you Soggy, I am with you. I find far more interest in the 787, and would be much happier flying it than the A-380, no matter the paycheck size. But I love anything Boeing.

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Reply #9 - Mar 8^th, 2005 at 6:38am

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Being a resident of Washington ST. (Boeing country). So although The A-380 is an impressive aircraft I can't seem to like it. Add in the whole subsides thing and I really wouldn't be upset to see Airbus go up in flames, weather financialy or physicaly dosn't matter to me Grin

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Now as far as stratigy goes I think the 7E7/787 is a far better move. 747 sales have been droping for years now while small/medium sales have been going up (ignoring the wrench 9/11 threw in all aircraft sales) and with only 6 airports in the us capable of taking the A-380 and not many more looking to upgrade, where as the 787 can operate anywhere....well you do the math.

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So basicly you are saying that the kind gentlemen at airbus did not think of what you posted above? Maybe you should e-mail them and tell 'em how it really is Wink

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US isn't the target market anyway...

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Reply #10 - Mar 8^th, 2005 at 12:15pm

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I honestly don't think it will sell well. A lack of routes to the US will make it even less valuable to those who do buy it.

I am impressed they managed to do that 1:30 evacuation certification though.

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Reply #11 - Mar 8^th, 2005 at 1:56pm

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I honestly don't think it will sell well. A lack of routes to the US will make it even less valuable to those who do buy it.

I'm pretty sure the Asian market alone could probably support the A-380 until it make a profit. I think ordres wise they're somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the way there - I think the figure quoted was around 300...

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Reply #12 - Mar 8^th, 2005 at 4:10pm

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Ya, but that's just to break even. Then they need some sort of profit to justify it.

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Reply #13 - Mar 8^th, 2005 at 5:17pm

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Ya, but that's just to break even. Then they need some sort of profit to justify it.

As I said - that was just the Asian market. I don't expect to see many more orders at all this year - but next year in particular I expect Singapore Airlines may be persuaded to let one of their A-380s appear at all the big European trade shows (Farnborough, Paris, Berlin, and even possibly the Royal International Air Tattoo) where there will be a serious sales push amongst all the hospitality tents... Once its flying it will be a lot easier to sell.

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Reply #14 - Mar 8^th, 2005 at 10:19pm

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Well this is the part where we just sit back and watch eh?

Since it will be a good while before either the A-380 or the 787 is flying, we can really only wait and see. Then we can banter some more over which is better. Wink

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Reply #15 - Mar 9^th, 2005 at 2:08pm

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Since it will be a good while before either the A-380 or the 787 is flying, we can really only wait and see. Then we can banter some more over which is better. Wink

Should be before the end of April...

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I really wouldn't be upset to see Airbus go up in flames, weather financialy or physicaly dosn't matter to me .

Might upset quite a few people in Europe though...

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Reply #16 - Mar 11^th, 2005 at 3:21pm

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Reply #17 - Mar 12^th, 2005 at 9:13pm

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Well, that just sounds like fun.

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Reply #18 - Mar 14^th, 2005 at 2:48pm

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aye thats the one

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Reply #19 - Mar 14^th, 2005 at 6:35pm

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I can see engines hitting the ground... Sad

Hopefully it never happens. Surely they designed it so it would be at least hard to do it, we've seen the 747s at Kai Tak drag 'em.

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