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Feb 20th, 2005 at 9:21pm

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On February 20, 1962, American astronaut John Glenn flew is small Mercury spacecapsule "Friendship 7" around the Earth 3 times becoming the first American to orbit the Earth. 

According the the international rules at the time, this was actually the first "REAL" spaceflight.  The two previous American missions had not reached the required altitude according to international standards.  The two previous Soviet missions (both orbitals) did reach the altitude barrier but the cosmonaut did not land inside his capsule (which was one of the rules-this was of course covered up).   So, according to the rules at the time, Glenn's mission was the first to meet all the requirements of a space flight.  Of course, the previous 4 missions are today (and even were then) considered space flights in the eyes of most.
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 3:47am

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Just out of interest, who wrote the rules?
 

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Reply #2 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 8:57am

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Probably the same people that wrote the rules for the next "X Prize", the $50million award to the first person to complete 2 orbits in a civilian manned spacecraft. As we all know, one of the leaders in this field is a chap and his company from the north of the UK, and before SpaceShip One he was tipped as a possible winner of the original X-Prize. I find it strange however, that the small print for this one states (in words to the effect of...) "the entrant must be American and the Spacecraft must be developed in the USA", which rather limits the incentive for any non-American to try...

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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 10:19am
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Whatever the rules are, for me Gagarin was and will always be the first man in space.
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 11:22am

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Whatever the rules are, for me Gagarin was and will always be the first man in space.


Indeed, well done to the USSR. Its a shame people don't remember things like that Smiley.

According to my video collection it was Peter Sellers in the film "Heaven's Above" Wink
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 11:28am

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Whatever the rules are, for me Gagarin was and will always be the first man in space.

And he really always has been considered that.  Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space, plain and simple.

I think these "rules" were developed by a third party (I think it was some group in Europe) to make sure that there was a standard for spaceflight.  That way, someone couldn't fly the X-15 (or a simular aircraft) up to where the sky is black and claim it was a spaceflight (because by some American standards, those were spaceflights-although that is pretty much forgotten today, but several X-15 pilots recieved Astronaut Wings for their flight).  But, these "rules" have long been forgotten-plus at the time it appearded that Gagarin had achieved everything required for a spaceflight.  The USSR covered up the fact that he didn't land in his capsule and for many years nobody knew that (the same is true for the other 5 Vostok cosmonauts).
 
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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 11:36am

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I think these "rules" were developed by a third party (I think it was some group in Europe) to make sure that there was a standard for spaceflight


I imagine they stemmed from Paris, as many international federations (sport/technological) have historically been based there... Smiley
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 12:21pm

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Most probably the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale  (FAI), the international organization that certifies aviation records ...

On the other hand, there is speculation that Yuri Gagarin may not have been the first man in space ....  although he is definitely recognized as being the first to go and  ... return safely.


 

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Reply #8 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 12:55pm

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Most probably the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale  (FAI), the international organization that certifies aviation records ...


Thanks Felix - just what I was trying to remember the name of...

...as opposed to the FIA, which is rather more ground based... Wink
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2005 at 6:38pm

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Most probably the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale  (FAI), the international organization that certifies aviation records ...

On the other hand, there is speculation that Yuri Gagarin may not have been the first man in space ....  although he is definitely recognized as being the first to go and  ... return safely.

That sounds right, I thought the group was in France but I couldn't remember right.

Some believe that a cosmonaut named Vladimir Ilyushin was the first man in space.  The story goes that he made his flight about a week before Gagarin.  Early in the mission there were problems and he passed out.  An emergency landing was ordered from the ground and capsule performed an automated reenrty.  Due to his passed out state, he was unable to eject.  It is said he hard landed in the capsule (the Vostok capsules had parachutes but no retro rocket, so the landing was believed to be too hard to be safe for humans), he was injured by survived.  Unfortunately for him, he landed in mainland China (due to the emergency landing) and was their "honored guest" for a year.  I believe that he is still alive and living in Moscow and has never confirmed or denied his spaceflight.  I don't believe any evidence was ever found in Soviet documents to support this claim.

I have also read that some believe there was another cosmonaut who flew before Ilyushin in February of 1961.  He experienced the same kind of loss of contact problems and also passed out in the capsule.  In order to prevent him of landing on foreign soil, the USSR kept him in space until he could be brought back over Russian soil and he died in space.  The belief that Ilyushin was brought back so quickly in his "flight" in April of 1961 is because of his name and the political power of his family.  He is the son of Serghei Ilyushin, the great Russian aircraft designer.

In any case, there has never been any real document evidence to support these stories.  In all likelyhood, Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space.
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 12:31pm

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The americans achieved nothing in the space race, they were always behind the russians, and they DIDN'T get to the moon.
 

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Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 1:00pm

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The americans achieved nothing in the space race, they were always behind the russians, and they DIDN'T get to the moon.


and the world is flat, the universe rotates around the Earth.  There is no space, and no one has ever been to space.  All cosmo/astronauts that have died have been the result of a global conspiracy to squelch any dissemination of this - one (or more) of the cosmo/astronauts in the incidents were going to "spill the beans" so they (and the unfortunate others in the mission) suffered "accidents" .


and you're all a figment of my imagination and I am the only sentient being in existence - all happens, or not, because of my will and imagination.
 

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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 1:36pm
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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2005 at 8:13pm

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The americans achieved nothing in the space race, they were always behind the russians, and they DIDN'T get to the moon.

As a matter of fact, the United States took the lead in the space race in 1965 with the flight of Gemini-V.  With Gemini-IV, the American's matched everything that the Russian's had done (space walk, long duration, and multi-man crew) and with Gemini-V they topped that by pushing the long duration record to 8 days.  Before the flight of Gemini-V, the world record for the longest space flight was about 5 days (set by the Soviet Vostok 5 mission in 1963).  By the end of 1965, the American's had pushed the duration record to 14 days.  The Russian's would not even get close to this mark until June of 1970 (when they had a record 17 day flight)-but by then the American's had already made 2 moon landings and the space race was basically over (although not completely, IMHO the space race didn't completely end until 1975).

The Russian's did make some amazing accomplishments in space flight and for a time they were winning the space race.  I believe the reason for this is due to German rocket influence.  Following WWII, the Russian's captured most of the German rockets and equipmend and the American's captured most of the scientists.  As a result, the Russian's had the rockets and used them to get a head start-but if you look at their later designs they are not very inovative, basically all they did was make the same thing bigger and bigger and strap new engines to it.  They simply didn't have the great rocket designers.  The US had the great (German) designers.  So, they had to rebuild the rockets-but the American rockets evolved much better.  This is why the US won the space race.  It had nothing to do with politics or procedure, the American's simply aquired the vast majority of the great designers following the war.
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 17th, 2005 at 6:35am

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I don't wish to prolong this argument but I've never doubted that the so-called Space Race was mainly politically motivated & regarded as a matter of national security by both govenments. It was not presented as such to Joe Public to avoid questioning the vast amount of public money involved. Much like flying, romantic notions of space travel have appealed to people for centuries. Comics were full of science fiction heroes like Dan Dare when I was young & we could see the exploits of space adventurers like Flash Gordon every week at the Saturday morning flicks. This was the environment in the early 60s when the possibility of it becoming reality & a man actually walking on the Moon in the very near future caused a great deal of enthusiasm & excitement among ordinary people. Not only did they say they could do it but this would be during our lifetime & we would be able to see them doing it.* What a thing to be able to tell our grandchildren. "I can remember when the first man walked on the Moon & we watched it all on TV." It's no coincidence that the first NASA Space Shuttle was officially named Enterprise.

It seems a pity to me that all that expense & effort could not have been a joint project. However, if both sides had not considered it vitally important to keep abreast of the other I doubt the funding would have been available to achieve it.

I know you're very interested in space travel Richie & have no wish to contradict you. You know far more about the technical aspects than I ever will.  Having been around when all this was happening I'm just stating things as I & many others see them. This is not sour grapes or jealousy caused by my country not being directly involved, as some people might suspect or accuse me of. Seeing things from my part of the world often helps me to remain impartial, which I always try to be.

*PS. This was almost beyond our imagination at the time as the first live transatlantic TV pictures were transmitted in 1962 (when I was 19 years old) as a direct result of the space programme. Before this we would only see recorded film clips of international events on the news. I don't think anyone not there at the time can appreciate the incredible leaps in technology over a very short period of time. Things we now take for granted were pure science fiction 40 years ago. I don't think we're likely to see this again during my lifetime.
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