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Feb 15^th, 2005 at 9:23pm

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This is probably silly, but is there some unspoken rule here about posting images of default, unrepainted FS9 aircraft and scenery as payware? I haven't checked back too far, but I haven't seen any here; only add-on stuff. I don't have any payware add-ons (yet); not in the budget (yes, it IS tight!); so I'd like to show off some all-stock screenies. I don't see any specific mention in the guidelines, but...? ??? Embarrassed

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PS- And is it illegal to listen to ATC...? Wink

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Reply #1 - Feb 15^th, 2005 at 9:27pm

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Posting stock aircraft, scenery, etc is quite legal.
However, you should probably post them in the freeware screenshots forum. I'm not sure what the official mod stance is, but even though they are part of a sim for which you paid $50 for, they should be part of the freeware screenshots forum. It is assumed that if you're a resident here, you have FS! So the payware/freeware thing is anything in the sim that is not out of the little silver box. Cheesy

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There are just so many great addons, from scenery to planes to paints to effects, that shots rarely show up without them. That and none of us have a life because we're too busy modding our sims!

ATC is legal, but frowned upon. They seldom approve clearance for inverted bridge passes and landings on whatever runway you feel like. Kind of a "yes, Delta64 heavy has the traffic, but doesn't care" kind of thing. Wink

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Reply #2 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 5:48am

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ATC is legal, but frowned upon. They seldom approve clearance for inverted bridge passes and landings on whatever runway you feel like. Kind of a "yes, Delta64 heavy has the traffic, but doesn't care" kind of thing. Wink

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Reply #3 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 5:52am

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Thanx, reverse, although it's not much clearer now.
The official mod stance is: "payware in any way, shape or form" (sic?).
As far as the ATC thing goes, it's a joke: a reference to several posts by another member who was worried he'd get in trouble for listening to real-world ATC freqs via streaming audio on the Web... Grin

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Reply #4 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 8:17am

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Hiya Rotty.
How's it going?
The payware screenshot forum is specifically geared toward payware.
I will try to clear it up.

Payware aircraft
Payware scenery
Payware sky
payware airports
Payware mesh
payware traffic
payware land-class
payware anything!
If you needed to break out your credit card or access your Pay-Pal account, it goes here! Grin

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Yes some shots may not really show some sort of payware but what has happened here between the Freeware & payware forums is this.
Most of us who have payware on our systems, I mean allot, just post here all the time.
I mean I could post a default 777 leaving a default airport but I would have payware Ultimate Traffic, payware Active Sky, payware mesh, payware FSScene all running in the back ground. I don't bother with the freeware/payware decision anymore because somebody will say, "great shot but isn't that a payware mesh you are running?"
See it gets confusing. I have so much payware installed, I just post here now. Grin

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I haven't checked back too far, but I haven't seen any here; only add-on stuff.

Not too sure what you mean here. Mostly all shots have some sort of payware going on. I do see a few that might not and were probably posted in this forum by accident. "Crispy Scandinavia" and "First few" for instance. Roll Eyes

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so I'd like to show off some all-stock screenies.

If they are stock screenies and you didn't have to pay for it, it should go in the "freeware" forum.
I hope this clears things up a bit. Grin

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Reply #5 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 8:32am

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Hm.
Flye2 u said Payware sky.
Like what ?
never heard of a payware sky add-on.

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Reply #6 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 8:36am

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Hi SkyEagle.
I am running ActiveSky!
It is a payware weather engine that is absolutely incredible! Much better than the stock weather engine that comes with FS9
Check it out!
http://www.hifisim.com/

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Reply #7 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 9:21am

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Dave,

I think what rottydaddy was reffering to was that he can't remember seeing any shots with just default aircraft running... 8)

Ben

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Reply #8 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 3:54pm

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Thanks, Ben, yes: just FS9, out of the box (which I paid for), no embellishment from third-party sources. Well, maybe Waterzone, but no 3rd-party planes or scenery. Technically, that's payware, right? I thought maybe that's frowned upon as "boring" or something. I'm not that bored with it yet, and I've got a few nice screenies that I'd like to show off.

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Reply #9 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 6:45pm

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Nope, just buying the game doesn't make it payware! lol Tongue

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Reply #10 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 8:28pm

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Nope, just buying the game doesn't make it payware! lol Tongue

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Well, excuse me!! Define "payware", then, if that term doesn't refer to software you pay for. Enlighten this old caveman...

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Reply #11 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 8:55pm

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Think about it this way:
Paid for FS + add-ons for free = Freeware shots
Paid for FS + paid for add-ons = Payware shots
The freeware/payware classification is outside the realm of the little silver box. It allows us to look at a shot, and know the difference between "Wow, that plane rocks! I'll go search SimV, Nonodes, and AVSIM" and "Wow, that's cool, how much is it?".

Since all of us FS geeks have FS and assume someone interested enough to have a few stars under their name has FS, we consider the free/pay frame of reference to exclude the actual paid M$ FS that makes it all possible.

If the fact that one had FS made the shots payware, there would be no need to distinguish the two, and there would be only one raw screenshots forum like there was a while back. The only thing in a free shots board like that would be stuff like Orbiter FS.

Clear as mud?

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Reply #12 - Feb 16^th, 2005 at 9:01pm

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Well, excuse me!! Define "payware", then, if that term doesn't refer to software you pay for. Enlighten this old caveman...

Any add-on software you have applied to the core MS FS200X simulator that you had to spend any money for.

If you want to post pictures of stock fs200x stuff there is ample opportunity to do that............. in the freeware screenshots forum.

The general intent of the split screenshot forums concept seems pretty clear to me........... you wouldn't be a lawyer in "real life" would you? Wink

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Reply #13 - Feb 17^th, 2005 at 1:13pm

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Hello Fly2.
Thx for telling and i bought it Cheesy

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I have the newest version updated witch is 4.5 i think.
But i dont have a idea how it works.
Can u tell me ?

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Reply #14 - Feb 17^th, 2005 at 3:36pm

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Okey-doke; I think I get it now. The main reason for separate screenshots forums is to separate payware add-ons from everything else, including FS9 defaults. Therefore, a pic of, say, the default Cub in a default setting would be considered freeware, for all intents and purposes. Hadn't seen any default FS9 aircraft in the Freeware pictures forum, so it was a bit confusing. Thanks, all, for helping me navigate through the jargon minefield...

I didn't want to make any trouble, considering all the work that's been done to set up this great site.

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