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Feb 14th, 2005 at 4:11pm

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This is the accident report of my fathers plane crash.  The plane was a PA-18, real nice.  I was 9 years old when this happened.  I remember the the phone call very well from the hospital that my Aunt had called to tell me that he was in "very bad condition".  Well heres the report!


On June 28, 1998, approximately 1100 mountain daylight time, a Piper PA-18, N44536, impacted the terrain shortly after takeoff from Big Creek Airstrip, Big Creek, Idaho. The private pilot, who was the sole occupant, received serious injuries, and the aircraft, which was owned and operated by the pilot, sustained substantial damage. The 14 CFR Part 91 personal pleasure flight, which departed the airstrip en route to Caldwell, Idaho, less than a minute before the accident, was being operated in visual meteorological conditions. No flight plan had been filed, and the ELT, which was activated by the impact, was turned off at the scene.

According to the pilot, while his aircraft was tied down off to the side of the grass airstrip, the pilot of a Cessna 195 pulled in to park next to him. As the 195 pilot swung his aircraft into the adjacent parking spot, the wing of the 195 overlapped the wing of the PA-18. As the 195 wing passed over the PA-18 wing, the tie-down loop on the bottom of the 195 wing tore the top wing skin of the PA-18 and inflicted minor damage on one of the ribs. Prior to attempting his takeoff to return to Caldwell, the pilot of the PA-18 "repaired" the damaged rib and torn wing skin with duct tape. According to the pilot, after the aircraft lifted off, it felt like something was wrong with the way the aircraft was flying. Because he thought the aircraft's flight characteristics might be related to the "repaired" wing, he elected to immediately land in the opposite direction from which he departed. In order to execute this maneuver, the pilot turned right about 70 to 80 degrees from the runway heading when he was about one-half way down the runway. He then rolled into a steeply banked turn to the left. According to witnesses, this turn appeared to be bringing the aircraft back over the runway in a direction opposite from departure. But as the aircraft neared the runway edge, the turn appeared to "tighten up," and the aircraft suddenly sank into the terrain. The pilot later said that in trying to get the aircraft around to the runway, he allowed the airspeed to get too slow, and the angle of bank too get too steep, resulting in a low-altitude stall/mush into the terrain. According to witnesses, the aircraft never got higher than 100 feet above the ground (AGL) during this entire maneuver. Density altitude was later calculated to be approximately 7,800 feet.

My father came out of the crash with both legs broken and his neck along with his sinus cavitys.

      I have been able to find out who pulled my father out of the plane, and i am not kidding i have known this man since i was 2 years. 

Well I thought you all might like this to read and plus get to know me better. 

                                   Happy Flying Smiley
 

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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 4:17pm

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I would suspect also that some emergency laundry would have had to be done, but hopefully he recovered.

If I'd done something like that, and survived, I think my wife would have killed me anyway...

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Reply #2 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 4:36pm

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LifeFlight had come out to get him.  To this day My Mom still lets him fly the back country in the 170 b with a 180 motor and three blade prop.  But Felix I did to think that my mom was going to kill him when he came home and told mom he Bought another super Cub, Which Was much nicer. 

He did recover some what .  But he figures its better than not being able to fly at all.  Its hard enough for me to get him away form anything that has to do with planes. Grin
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 4:54pm

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So, given my magnificent powers of deduction (or making things up , which is about the same thing), you haven't introduced him to Flight Simulator because then he'll take over the computer .... 





 

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Reply #4 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 5:02pm

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I have but he says its nothing like the real thing.  Simulators are just based on IFR flights mostly.  But every now and then he will.  But I have to get him going because he can barely work a computer. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 8:21pm

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I don't mean to diss your Pop, but I hope he learned his lesson. He may be a smart guy and a great pilot, but he did a really dumb thing.
Anyway, very glad he lived to fly again!!  And amazing he survived the Wrath of Mom!!! Grin
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 8:54pm

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oops, perhaps duct tape doesn't fix everything?  Roll Eyes

Thanks for sharing...Smiley
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 9:36pm

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The whole duct tape thing has a funny story to it when the FAA guy asked my dad what the duct tape was for he said," What, Duct, tape."  The Faa guy said I have Ten eyewittness's saying they saw you put it on.  With my dad in a wheel  chair  snaps over and said," It was me."

Yes he did figure out that duct tape dosent fix everything at a hefty cost.  But as an Ex-farm boy you would have to learn that duct tape cant be used for everthing.  The Whole Family jokes about it to this day.  Which is cool that my dad is so laid back about it.

I have a Cool Pop,you could diss him and he wouldnt give a rats ass.  Plus he takes  diss's as a joke anyway so it wouldnt matter.  You just cant bring the beast down.

Rotty we all do dumb things. no offence taken.  My dad knows it was dumb.  Plus I KNOW he wont do it again.
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 14th, 2005 at 11:14pm

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hehe i had a fellow mechanic in training, during a Cessna 185 runup, tape a piece of white paper in place of a panel (which he lost) once lol.  Should have seen our instructors face after... but the funny part is he didnt notice until the engine was running  Grin
 

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Reply #9 - Feb 15th, 2005 at 6:29am

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The whole duct tape thing has a funny story to it when the FAA guy asked my dad what the duct tape was for he said," What, Duct, tape."  The Faa guy said I have Ten eyewittness's saying they saw you put it on.  With my dad in a wheel  chair  snaps over and said," It was me."

Yes he did figure out that duct tape dosent fix everything at a hefty cost.

Rotty we all do dumb things. no offence taken.  My dad knows it was dumb.  Plus I KNOW he wont do it again.



Glad to hear that (although the steep turn right after takeoff usually doesn't work out either  Wink ), and glad you didn't take that personally. Some advice, though: whenever you can, check his flight bag for duct tape before he goes flying, and remove it  Grin
 

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Reply #10 - Feb 15th, 2005 at 3:30pm

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oops, perhaps duct tape doesn't fix everything?  Roll Eyes

Don't tell people from Philadelphia that, they'll freak-duct tape holds together about 1/2 our cars and 1/3 of our buildings.

Amazing he survived Cessna! Lucky fella! But you wonder exactly what he was thinking using un-FAA certitifed duct tape to fix a wing... hmm... ???
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 15th, 2005 at 4:13pm

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Well glad he's ok.

Back in the day, when I was a CFI for a brief period, we would show our students why not to do those hard 90 degree reversals for a tailwind landing. First of all, if it's so bad you need to land immediately, you probably don't want to put those strains on the airplane. Second of all, low speed, low altitude, we know how that turns out.
I had a student who was close to graduating, and as most of the instructors did, I took him up to show him why not to do this. I had a military background, so I knew exactly what would happen when I did what I did. (Something makes me think that grammer isn't right...) We went up to about 5000 feet, slowed to around 50 knots, leveled out and applied full power, simulated takeoff, the plane started to climb, I rolled it way over and pulled hard to keep the altitude up. Tons of G's on the airplane due to the hard bank angle and the up-pitch being fed in to keep the airplane from descending. The problem with this is, the more I pull up to keep from desceding, the more to slows down and the stall speed increases. The warning horn goes off, and suddenly I am very happy to be at 5000 feet. Otherwise we would be in a crater.
Long story short, I told my student to try it. He had a huge ego and thought he could save it, and pulled back as hard as he could, sending our plane (I believe it was a 150 aerobat) into a beautiful military right spin. To this day, I think he did it on purpose, it's pretty much impossible to do what that plane did on accident. I let us spin for a while since it was fine with the aerobat, then stopped the spin, we flew back, landed, and reviewed. What not to do, what will happen if you do what not to do, and why when stalling in a left turn you don't hit right rudder. A good lesson he kept with him I think.

The bad news, he was killed two years later. His parents called me and told me, he was running through Dallas with the cops following him and took a turn across a high bridge too fast and plummeted like 50 feet into the Trinity River. Sad story.
 

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Reply #12 - Feb 15th, 2005 at 5:50pm

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You know my dad carries a servival kit in his plane (an then at the time of the crash) and he always carries duct tape.  Plus Rotty i dont think it would matter because the 170 is'nt faberic.  But i do agree with you take the tape. 

Plus guys it was'nt the duct tape that made him crash it was a "pilot error".  I think he used the duct tape to help the airflow IMHO, if it would really matter.
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