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Reply #15 - Jan 31st, 2005 at 5:51pm

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I have to admit, though, that while for a long time I've thought the Mark Vb to be one of the aesthetically pleasing Spitfire Marks, the XVI in that photo could make me consider being unfaithful to the Mark Vb.

I'm inclined to agree. I always liked the Mk IX/XVI though. In the end, I recall what John Romain told me last year when I asked which Mark was his favourite. He replied, with a grin on his face & that special gleam in his eye: "They're all beautiful." Wink
 

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Reply #16 - Jan 31st, 2005 at 6:04pm

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Aesthetically speaking the IX/XVI series are the nicest I think although I break with tradition when I say that I prefer clipped wings to full span. The MkXIV is still the finest Spitfire of them all though Wink
 

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Reply #17 - Jan 31st, 2005 at 6:44pm

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Grin sorry, I was being a pedantic g*t...

Now lets consider Hawker, with a rough history...

Hawker...

Tomtit, Fury (etc), Hart/Hind (etc), Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest, (Sea) Fury, Hunter, Harrier, Hawk, and that's just missing most of them out.

I always have thought the Henley looked quit nice too...

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You forgot the Tornado. One of Camms less successful designs.

However, consider now that Hawker was the child of Sopwith and voila! You have yet another string of the finest fighters around! Grin
 

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Reply #18 - Jan 31st, 2005 at 9:34pm

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However, consider now that Hawker was the child of Sopwith and voila! You have yet another string of the finest fighters around! Grin


I didn't want to bring that link about in case someone brought up the Cuckoo!  But that had to be the "ugly duckling" in an otherwise stellar Sopwith lineup!
 

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Reply #19 - Feb 1st, 2005 at 1:51pm

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I didn't want to bring that link about in case someone brought up the Cuckoo!  But that had to be the "ugly duckling" in an otherwise stellar Sopwith lineup!

It was obviously to Sopwith what the Tornado was to Hawker then. Grin
 

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Reply #20 - Feb 1st, 2005 at 2:41pm

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It was obviously to Sopwith what the Tornado was to Hawker then. Grin

I believe the failure of the Tornado was due more to the powerplant than the airframe. The ill-fated Rolls-Royce Vulture. I don't think it was particularly ugly as it looked very much like the Typhoon.
 

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Reply #21 - Feb 1st, 2005 at 2:46pm

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You forgot the Tornado. One of Camms less successful designs.


It was close to inclusion but...
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and that's just missing most of them out.
I couldn't be bothered to do all of them... Grin
 
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Reply #22 - Feb 1st, 2005 at 2:49pm

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Please say you DIDN'T ground loop a Harvard!


Erm, maybe Wink

It was ok, it was only a 180 rotation, and I was almost encouraged to do it in a way - I had a test pilot in the front who caught it for me. We spent 10 minutes just taxying around so I could get used to a taildragger... Grin

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Reply #23 - Feb 1st, 2005 at 3:14pm

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Erm, maybe Wink

It was ok, it was only a 180 rotation, and I was almost encouraged to do it in a way - I had a test pilot in the front who caught it for me. We spent 10 minutes just taxying around so I could get used to a taildragger... Grin

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I'm glad I'm a computer pilot and not a real life one.  Many a time I've "landed" a perfectly functional Spit just to be a tad heavy on the brakes and tip over, or over-correct and do a beautiful ground loop, breaking bits and pieces all over (it's disgusting what some programs will make you sit through!)


 

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Reply #24 - Feb 2nd, 2005 at 11:21am

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Remember the sucessor to the Spitfire was the Attacker.  'Nuff said. 

What about the Scimitar?   Kiss
 

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Reply #25 - Feb 2nd, 2005 at 11:25am

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Reply #26 - Feb 2nd, 2005 at 11:35am

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"The lineage from the Spitfire is thus :- the Spitfire developed into the Spiteful; Spiteful wings were used for the Attacker; swept wings were added to the Attacker to produce the Swift. "

The Scimitar was Supermarine's last chance to get it right, but that airplane, too, was plagued with problems.

 

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Reply #27 - Feb 2nd, 2005 at 1:31pm

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What about the Scimitar?   Kiss

To add to Felix's comments. I was trying to point out the lineage of the Hawker aircraft. The Spitfire was a brand new design with no direct predecessor. The Hurricane was the final development of a successful line of military biplanes. The traditional fabric-covered steel tube  construction meant it couldn't be developed further. The line started again with the Typhoon which was developed via the Tempest into the Sea Fury, one of the fastest piston-engined fighters ever to see service. The family resemblance is plain to see as with all Sidney Camm's designs. I don't think the Scimitar was a development of a previous design. It was not particularly successful. Unfortunately Supermarine never quite made it into the jet age.
 

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Reply #28 - Feb 2nd, 2005 at 2:09pm

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"The lineage from the Spitfire is thus :- the Spitfire developed into the Spiteful; Spiteful wings were used for the Attacker; swept wings were added to the Attacker to produce the Swift. "

The Scimitar was Supermarine's last chance to get it right, but that airplane, too, was plagued with problems.



Or was it...

"The lineage from the Spitfire is thus :- the Spitfire developed into the Spiteful; The Spiteful developed into the Seafang; Seafang wings were used for the Attacker; swept wings were added to the Attacker to produce the Swift, upon which someone moved the tailwheel to the wrong end. "  Grin
 
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Reply #29 - Feb 2nd, 2005 at 2:24pm

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Or was it...

"The lineage from the Spitfire is thus :- the Spitfire developed into the Spiteful; The Spiteful developed into the Seafang; Seafang wings were used for the Attacker; swept wings were added to the Attacker to produce the Swift, upon which someone moved the tailwheel to the wrong end. "  Grin

Ah, but did either see service? That is the point. Both the Spiteful & Seafang were actually developments of the Spitfire with a new laminar-flow wing. The Seafang was the naval version of the Spiteful, the same relationship as between the Spitfire & Seafire. If you wish to be pedantic I'm your man. I have years more experience. Tongue Cheesy

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Seafang wings were used for the Attacker; swept wings were added to the Attacker to produce the Swift, upon which someone moved the tailwheel to the wrong end. "  

No doubt as they already incorporated the wing-fold mechanism. Pity they didn't think to move that tailwheel in the first place. It would almost certainly have been an improvement (let's face it you could hardly think of a worse idea than a tailwheel on a jet aircraft) & saved a lot of melted tarmac. Goodness knows what damage that blowlamp did to carrier decks. I doubt it would pass health & safety regulations these days. Roll Eyes Wink

Sorry but I always thought that Attacker was an 'orrible aeroplane. Not a fit successor to the beautiful, graceful Spitfire. Now, the Hawker Sea Hawk - that's a different story. Smiley
 

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