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Jan 28th, 2005 at 3:06am

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Hey all, so heres the deal. I really enjoy flying the Sopwith Camel. However, I am not crazy about the fact that theres NO BRAKES on the damned thing. How did them boys get this thing stopped in the old days? Anyhow, Call me a wuss if ya want, but I would like to install some brakes on mine, can this be done? If so , how would I go about it. Any help greatly appreciated.
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 4:50am

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Open the Camels aircraft.cfg file in notepad. Then add the following lines at the end;

[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale=0.640889
parking_brake=1

Save it and then fire up FS and you'll have brakes. Personally I like it without brakes, just hold the aircraft above stalling speed and gently let her kiss the tarmac and kill the throttle Wink
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 5:58am

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Hey all, so heres the deal. I really enjoy flying the Sopwith Camel. However, I am not crazy about the fact that theres NO BRAKES on the damned thing. How did them boys get this thing stopped in the old days? Anyhow, Call me a wuss if ya want, but I would like to install some brakes on mine, can this be done? If so , how would I go about it. Any help greatly appreciated.
 
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...and if you wanted a Handbrake lever on your panel you could borrow one from any of your stash of aircraft which has a suitable one on the main panel.....
  ......open the panel.CFG for the aircraft WITH the lever you want and look on the list of gauges for the gauge you want, which will be called something appropriate (brakes  maybe?)....highlight and copy the line and paste it at the end of the list of gauges in the Sopwith Camels Panel.cfg..then change the number to the next consecutive......the four numbers at the end are the position and size on the panel so if it ain't in the right place you will have to fiddle with those...sorry I can't give you an example but I have uninstalled 2002 and now use 2004 which doesn't have the Camel..commoner Wink

PS if you are not confident with the above..then maybe ozzy72 could help if he has 2002...OH!..and make copies of any files you fiddle with as a precaution..
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 6:08am

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Call me a wuss if ya want,

Travis - you're a wuss. Tongue Grin

I haven't tried the default Camel for a long time but if the flight model is reasonably accurate you shouldn't need brakes, not for landings anyway. It will stop soon enough if you do it properly. With most taildraggers I prefer the gool ol' 3-pointers. I like a low approach under power - just like I land my R/C models which are all taildraggers. Use the elevator to control your airspeed. The whole idea is to hold off, keeping it in the air as long as possible, not plonk it on the ground. Then at the right point chop the throttle holding the stick back in your tummy. Stall it those last few inches onto the runway. Perfick & beautiful to watch. It should stop on a sixpence. None of this wheely nonsense running the full length of the runway. Wink

PS. If you use brakes on a Camel while landing it would most likely flip over on its back.
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 7:05am

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...Hagar..if the Wuss wants brakes then let him have brakes lol.........I just wonder how many "mods" were done to "real" aircraft in the old days..(modern days too for all that)...I'd like to wager that more than one Camel ran into the back of the hanger because it didn't have the means to stop quick enough Grin Grin Grin
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 8:19am

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...Hagar..if the Wuss wants brakes then let him have brakes lol.........

OK, I'm all for personal choice. Cheesy

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I just wonder how many "mods" were done to "real" aircraft in the old days..(modern days too for all that)...I'd like to wager that more than one Camel ran into the back of the hanger because it didn't have the means to stop quick enough Grin Grin Grin

That's quite possible but at least it has a throttle. Most WWI aircraft had a blip switch on the joystick to control the engine revs by cutting the ignition. The engine either ran flat out or not at all. Now that's what I call difficult although a rotary engine being "blipped" makes a wonderful sound. Quite unique. Cheesy

I taxied Tiger Moths every working day for 2 years & never ran into a hangar or anything else. They had no brakes but just like the Camel were fitted with a tailskid to slow them down as soon as you cut the throttle. These old taildraggers were intended to operate from grass, not tarmac runways. That makes a horrible scraping noise with sparks flying everywhere & is also a tad expensive on tailskids. Don't let the CO or the poor old mechanics see you doing it. Roll Eyes Wink
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 9:37am

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..LOL...weren't life WONDERFUL..commoner Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 2:54pm

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Thanks for the help guys, Guess I walked right into the wuss thing huh, lol. Don't get me wrong I can fly it without them, but I have a tendency to come in a little hot, and have taken out more than one hanger if ya know what I mean. Grin  I also think they would be useful during taxi, especially in tight, crowded areas. I'll check it out, thanks a lot guys.
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Reply #8 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 3:34pm

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Hey ozzy72, ok so I went in to the aircraft.cfg file and made the modification you suggested above (pasted it directly from your post, word for word) , and still no brakes.  Any suggestions?
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 3:48pm

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Yup, I sure did.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 28th, 2005 at 4:30pm

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I was wondering about this. I haven't checked it out myself but you might need to enable the brakes in the AIR file. If you haven't done this before try AirEd from the Aircraft Design section.
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 29th, 2005 at 3:01am

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Hey ozzy72, ok so I went in to the aircraft.cfg file and made the modification you suggested above (pasted it directly from your post, word for word) , and still no brakes.  Any suggestions?


Hi alaska...ozzy's words were "add the following lines at the end"  if you literally did that then the maybe that's what is wrong...........if it is like FS9 there will already be an entry there like this..

[brakes]
parking_brake = 0      
toe_brakes_scale = 0.0

And it just needs the NUMBERS Wink changing to give you the brakes..........I tried it on the Curtiss Jenny in FS9 and it works just great..commoner
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 29th, 2005 at 3:25am

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Pullin hair out on this one now, what I did was I added the specs ozzy72 posted above to the end of the aircraft.cfg file, spaced 1 line down from the flaps.

[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale=0.640889
parking_brake=1

What about what Hagar mentioned above about the AIR file, Now when I open this file with notepad, all I see is code, (squares and stuff) if I had to modify this file how would I read it?

 
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Reply #14 - Jan 29th, 2005 at 4:58am

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Alaska....open the aircraft.cfg and look  CAREFULLY down the list....I am sure you will find the original entry viz...

[brakes]
parking_brake = 0      
toe_brakes_scale = 0.0

...or similar on there somewhere...REPLACE that with ozzy's text and delete the entry you made at the bottom of the list....I feel sure you won't need the air file changeing but to look at that you will need a small program called AirEd which you can download from here (maybe) or some other download site...You could copy and paste the contents of your CFG file here for us to see or email it to me if you wish..commoner.. Wink
 
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