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BOY SCOUTS MOVEMENT BEGINS: 24JAN1908 (Read 1142 times)
Jan 24th, 2005 at 9:57am

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This touches many of us, irrespective of political leanings.  Both my son and daughter were involved in Scouting, and I was, for a time, a "trained" Scout Leader (a hindrance which the scouts in out troop overcame).  I did go through adult leader trainging "Woodbadge"  and can wear a bandana with a piece of McLaren tartan.


BOY SCOUTS MOVEMENT BEGINS:
January 24, 1908


On January 24, 1908, the Boy Scouts movement begins in England with the publication of the first installment of Robert Baden-Powell's Scouting for Boys. The name Baden-Powell was already well known to many English boys, and thousands of them eagerly bought up the handbook. By the end of April, the serialization of Scouting for Boys was completed, and scores of impromptu Boy Scout troops had sprung up across Britain.
 

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Reply #1 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 10:16am

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Personally I've always been a bit suspicious of Baden-Powell and his urge to go scouting for young boys Grin
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Reply #2 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 10:20am
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Personally I've always been a bit suspicious of Baden-Powell and his urge to go scouting for young boys Grin
A bit of a Michael Jackson if you ask me Lips Sealed


Reminds me of a South Park episode...heeheehee. Grin
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 11:14am

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Personally I've always been a bit suspicious of Baden-Powell and his urge to go scouting for young boys Grin
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Reminds me of a South Park episode...heeheehee.  Grin

How sad. Sad Unfortunately this seems a typical reaction these days. I was never a Boy Scout or even a Cub but it was regarded as a perfectly respectable organisation in my day. There's bad apples in every walk of life but to cast doubts on the reputation of a respectable & patriotic person based on the doubtful moral standards of today's society (as I've seen with Baden-Powell) is unforgivable in my opinion. Even more so when that person is dead & unable to defend himself. This sort of thing is all too common these days.

The whole concept of Scouting is outdated now & I'm surprised that any adult would want to be associated with it because of these slurs.* It might be difficult for anyone to imagine now but this was the original idea behind it.
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Robert Baden-Powell had become concerned about the well-being of of the nation - and of particular young people. It has been said that the poor physical condition of the young men attempting to join the army during the Boer War was a central factor in his championing and fashioning of Scouting. One report at the time (1904) claimed that of every nine who volunteered to fight, only two were fit to do so. Diet, poor housing, and harmful working conditions were identified as contributory factors. However, he was equally worried about people's physical and mental well-being. Physical 'deterioration' and 'moral degeneracy' became themes in many of the talks and speeches that Robert Baden-Powell gave - especially in the period after the Boer War. Reflecting on his experience of the Boys' Brigade he first thought that something could be done within that organization to move away from an over-focus on marching and drill:

http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-bp.htm

Personally, I think a lot of modern youngsters would benefit from it.

*PS. Or any activity involving working with children come to that. This is the result of a general lack self-discipline, lowering of moral standards & perversion being accepted as normal behaviour. IMHO
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 11:31am

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It was just a joke Doug Roll Eyes
Personally I was a Cub, but the Scouts was full of rather strange people where I was, so I went over to the ATC, and what a wonderful bunch they are Smiley
 

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Reply #5 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 11:53am

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It was just a joke Doug Roll Eyes

I knew that Mark. My remarks were not aimed at you or Bjorn. This is the common concept of Baden-Powell & his scout movement these days. Nothing more than a joke.

I've experienced this sort of unfounded discrimination myself & I'm a tad fed up with it. Angry A single man of my age living alone seems to be treated with suspicion by everyone these days. I no longer dare make eye contact or smile at a young child for fear of being accused of being a pervert. Goodness knows what would happen if I actually physically touched a child that fell over & hurt itself. I would probably be locked up. I think this is a sad reflection on our society.
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 11:59am
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I've experienced this sort of unfounded discrimination myself & I'm a tad fed up with it. Angry A single man of my age living alone seems to be treated with suspicion by everyone these days. I no longer dare make eye contact or smile at a young child for fear of being accused of being a pervert. Goodness knows what would happen if I actually physically touched a child that fell over & hurt itself. I would probably be locked up. I think this is a sad reflection on our society.


Now that is really bad. Older people deserve more respect!
 
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Now that is really bad. Older people deserve more respect!

Thanks Bjorn but respect has to be earned. I think I've earned it several times over but unfortunately nobody else seems to agree. Roll Eyes Wink
 

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Reply #8 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 12:05pm

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Thanks Bjorn but respect has to be earned. I think I've earned it several times over but unfortunately nobody else seems to agree. Roll Eyes Wink



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I dunno about y'all, but in my area you had to be in the clique to be in the boy scouts.  Not so much the kids, but the moms.  My family has always been one to keep to itself (save perhaps my sister), so it was awkward when I started investigating the Scouts.

Who are you?

Not my cup o' tea thank you very much.  I stuck to reading about insects and games all by my happy lonesome. Tongue
 

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Reply #10 - Jan 24th, 2005 at 4:10pm

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I dunno about y'all, but in my area you had to be in the clique to be in the boy scouts.  Not so much the kids, but the moms.  My family has always been one to keep to itself (save perhaps my sister), so it was awkward when I started investigating the Scouts.

Who are you?

Not my cup o' tea thank you very much.  I stuck to reading about insects and games all by my happy lonesome. Tongue


That was sad, and an adulteration of what the Scouting program was meant to be, and what it is, as practiced by thousands (if not millions) over the US and world.

As Scout leaders, we often joked about Scouting being for adults, and we just had the kids as an excuse.  Granted, I had fun, as did most of the other adult leaders, but we never lost track of the sight that the main purpose was to turn out responsible kids.  For the most part, that's been true.  In your case, the adults appear to have taken it seriously.
 

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Reply #11 - Jan 25th, 2005 at 2:16am
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I think that in olden times scouting turned out responsible adults, who were then kept upright by the Masons (feel freee to disagree).
Lots of people m y age still do scouts and find it immense fun...I however aren't..shall we say..accostomed to mudfights etc, so Ill stick with AIRTC thanks very much...
However many paedophiles may grace the Scouting Org...its still good....and I dont think its outdated...


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Reply #12 - Jan 25th, 2005 at 2:16am
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I think that in olden times scouting turned out responsible adults, who were then kept upright by the Masons (feel freee to disagree).
Lots of people m y age still do scouts and find it immense fun...I however aren't..shall we say..accostomed to mudfights etc, so Ill stick with AIRTC thanks very much...
However many paedophiles may grace the Scouting Org...its still good....and I dont think its outdated...


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Reply #13 - Jan 25th, 2005 at 5:25am

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I think that in olden times scouting turned out responsible adults, who were then kept upright by the Masons (feel freee to disagree).

I suppose it might depend on the country but I'm not sure where the Masons come into this. Freemasonry was, & still is, a secret society. Not being a Mason I'm still unclear as to what its purpose is. However innocent the organisation might be, the very fact that its business is conducted in absolute secrecy appears to give it a sinister side. In "olden times", as you put it, a Mason would not admit to being one or give away those secrets at the risk of terrible punishment from his peers. I would say the "Church" of whatever creed or denomination had far more influence on moral standards. I think this opens up a whole new area of discussion which I'm not convinced is suitable for this forum.
 

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Reply #14 - Jan 25th, 2005 at 5:39am
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Yeah true.....
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Does anyone know where the Sea Scouts came into this?

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