Simviation Forum - A380 painted and with full 4 engines

Jan 8^th, 2005 at 6:13pm

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i just read at Airliners.net and saw the first A380 with some paint and 4 engines, looks pretty cool. 8)

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Reply #1 - Jan 8^th, 2005 at 6:47pm

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Here's the pic.
A380 Rollout

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Reply #2 - Jan 8^th, 2005 at 8:02pm

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rumors abound as to what is under the sheets. could be a new scheme or could just be un-painted areas waiting for the primer. It looks a little shorter now its been painted and the cockpit looks a little out of place. But i cant wait to see it fly, i might even goto france to see it.

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Reply #3 - Jan 8^th, 2005 at 8:19pm

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rumors abound as to what is under the sheets. could be a new scheme or could just be un-painted areas waiting for the primer.

Probably masking protecting the windows. That would be normal practice. There could be a cheat line already painted beneath it.

PS. I just had another look at the photo. I see the sheeting is covering the tail & rear fuselage. Whatever is beneath it I would think it's there to prevent overspray. Maybe the tail was painted separately. It's a big job. LOL

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Reply #4 - Jan 8^th, 2005 at 8:44pm

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if you look closely at the join between the tail and rudder you can see a little art work underneath. it looks a little like this
http://www.airbus.com/wallpapers/2005/jan_05_800_600.jpg

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Reply #5 - Jan 8^th, 2005 at 9:39pm

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The way that covering is laid out, it looks like it's shielding a airline or maybe Airbus name on the front section, and a logo on the tail.

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Reply #6 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 6:01am

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i like the reg. F-WWOW 8) Grin

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Reply #7 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 6:26am

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if you look closely at the join between the tail and rudder you can see a little art work underneath. it looks a little like this
http://www.airbus.com/wallpapers/2005/jan_05_800_600.jpg

You think that Airbus gets a new standard promo paint scheme,like Boeing did with its 'dream liner' one?

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Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 6:37am

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It wouldn't surprise me, new aircraft time to bring in a new era for airbus. The rumors have been floating around they would try a new logo/paint scheme.

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Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 10:48am

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cool! some friends around here are going to Toulouse for the first flight. allas I can't go with them as I suffer from my exams untill februari Sad

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Reply #10 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 11:00am

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first flights march Bones.

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Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 2:46pm

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first flights march Bones.

according to "luchtvaartnieuws' (aviaton news in dutch) it will be on februari the 22nd...others say 31st of march...i don't care, i won't be there anyway... allas!

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Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 4:36pm

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Its nice to see that being a true multinational aircraft, all the nations in the Airbus consortium are being represented in the flight crew for the first flight...

...except Britain.

And the aircraft will have 2 captains (?!)....

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Reply #13 - Jan 9^th, 2005 at 11:35pm

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Maybe Im just not used to looking at airliners, but that thing is huge! I cant get over that.

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Reply #14 - Jan 10^th, 2005 at 2:17pm

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hope the flight is successful 8)

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Reply #15 - Jan 11^th, 2005 at 8:56pm

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Dang, that is ginormous! I love how much the wings droop, that'll rock to see that thing lift off, and watch those huge wings bend up! Wohoo! The one time I wish I could go to France. lol

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Reply #16 - Jan 11^th, 2005 at 9:37pm

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Anyone have an idea what the minimum runway length for takeoff is? 14,000 ft, rotating at 225 kts? Cheesy

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Reply #17 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 10:15am

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It wouldn't surprise me, new aircraft time to bring in a new era for airbus. The rumors have been floating around they would try a new logo/paint scheme.

I think I preferred the old colours.

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Reply #18 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 10:48am

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Anyone have an idea what the minimum runway length for takeoff is? 14,000 ft, rotating at 225 kts? Cheesy

Which would mean that no commercial airport in the world could operate the A380.

For a ball park figure, about the same as a 747...

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Reply #19 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 12:14pm

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It was designed with the 747's takeoff length requirements in mind.

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Reply #20 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 2:46pm

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It was designed with the 747's takeoff length requirements in mind.

but didn't it turn out heavier than expected?

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Reply #21 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 2:52pm

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its 1% overweight now. It was alot more than that when the engines were redesigned but they sorted it out. Now how much of that is true, and how much of it is Airbus PR.

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Reply #22 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 3:16pm

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its 1% overweight now. It was alot more than that when the engines were redesigned but they sorted it out. Now how much of that is true, and how much of it is Airbus PR.

If it was PR it wouldn't be flying, and on an airliner which is going to have a (theorectical) 800 seat fit/150tonne payload, 1% proportionately small...

Anyway, nothing can be as overweight as the JSF/JCA F-35...

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Reply #23 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 3:22pm

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Now you come to mention it I was wondering how much weight a coat of paint adds to an aircraft of this size. Roll Eyes

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Reply #24 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 3:40pm

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Quite a lot I would imagine. Possibly a few tonnes on something this big...

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Reply #25 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 3:51pm

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Quite a lot I would imagine. Possibly a few tonnes on something this big...

Ok, I was a bit out, but apparently on a 767 it is around 400lbs, so I reckon you could get a little under 1000lbs on a beast this big...

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Reply #26 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 4:03pm

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1200lbs for a 747 so go from that.
As for the JSF, it isnt over weight, the requirements were that it could take off in a specific distance. It did so, as is customary with the MOD, they forgot to include in the wording fully loaded in combat configuration.
The A380 was a long way over weight only a few months ago and then Airbus were saying it wasnt a problem, recently they have said the same thing so i still am unsure as to if they are being truthful, one of their A340 series was overweight and it failed to meet the performance it was boasted as having, they didnt realise this till test flights, by then it was too late.

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Reply #27 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 4:23pm

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1200lbs for a 747 so go from that.
As for the JSF, it isnt over weight, the requirements were that it could take off in a specific distance. It did so, as is customary with the MOD, they forgot to include in the wording fully loaded in combat configuration.

The JSF weight problem has nothing to do with the MOD at all. Its to do with the V/STOL version in any form, being US or UK...

What it has essentially lead to is a decrease in the size of the internal weapons bay, meaning if 2000lb class weapons were to be carried, they would have to be externally carried, which for the RAF is not a problem...

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Reply #28 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 4:27pm

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Its not helped by the complicated system required for supersonic flight while keeping V/STOL

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Reply #29 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 5:30pm

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Its not helped by the complicated system required for supersonic flight while keeping V/STOL

Don't worry, the control system for the JSF/JCA is probably going to be more unique than that of the Harrier. Particularly the one the UK is developing...

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Reply #30 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 5:37pm

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Assuming they dont cancel it first. I dont know the latest, on that though.

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Reply #31 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 5:53pm

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Assuming they dont cancel it first. I dont know the latest, on that though.

Very doubtful they'd cancel it, even if the current US Government is emphasising the Army more than the USAF/USN/USMC... If fact that may have a beneficial effect for the JSF/JCA if the F-22 order is scaled down a lot. Both countries will need the aircraft come 2012 to replace ageing fleets (by that time the Harrier concept will be nearly 50 years old as a aircraft and engine - ok, the current airframes date from the late 80s/early 90s, and it's still a very capable aeroplane), and with the number of export orders and industrial involvement as well, I suspect this would be very unlikely...

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Reply #32 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 5:57pm

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I think alot of it could be decided by the F/22 situation. Also here the carrier situation could decide lot of it. Theres still a huge debate going on about the super carriers, and its actually risking the project altogether apparently. You have better contacts than i do, so you might be able to confirm this, but the latest news i heard, was that they are strongly considering only building 1 carrier now.

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Reply #33 - Jan 16^th, 2005 at 6:03pm

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I think alot of it could be decided by the F/22 situation. Also here the carrier situation could decide lot of it. Theres still a huge debate going on about the super carriers, and its actually risking the project altogether apparently. You have better contacts than i do, so you might be able to confirm this, but the latest news i heard, was that they are strongly considering only building 1 carrier now.

Your guess is as good as mine... at least we'll be having it for land based occupations too...
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Reply #34 - Jan 17^th, 2005 at 2:58am

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Here's a recent cnn article on the a380. As suggested, looks like they're looking into reducing the paint weight to about 60% of normal...

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20050116%2F15524...

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Reply #35 - Jan 17^th, 2005 at 12:49pm

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has any been to the Airbus website recently, they have really cool countdown timer. 8)

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Reply #36 - Jan 17^th, 2005 at 3:34pm

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Ha, did you see the "Win an A380" thing? I'm gonna win it and put it in my garage for safekeeping. Grin

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Reply #37 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 12:27pm

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Hi there,

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,337281,00.html

In that article (german) you will find some pictures showing the
A-380 in it´s new livery at it´s "rollout" (it didn´t move a
meter

) today.
click on the row of 3 pictures to open the gallery.

By the way.. a technican pointed yesterday on TV that the
A-380 will be 5 tons heavier than planed

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Reply #38 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 3:02pm

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Very doubtful they'd cancel it, even if the current US Government is emphasising the Army more than the USAF/USN/USMC... If fact that may have a beneficial effect for the JSF/JCA if the F-22 order is scaled down a lot. Both countries will need the aircraft come 2012 to replace ageing fleets (by that time the Harrier concept will be nearly 50 years old as a aircraft and engine - ok, the current airframes date from the late 80s/early 90s, and it's still a very capable aeroplane), and with the number of export orders and industrial involvement as well, I suspect this would be very unlikely...

If british aviation was today what it was in the 60's the Harrier would be supersonic by now. And if the P.1154 project wasn't cancelled then the Harrier would have been supersonic from the very outset. As I see it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And the Harrier certainly ain't broke. I mean, at least it can take off from a carrier. Which puts it one step ahead of the JSF. Grin

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Reply #39 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 3:04pm

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Reply #40 - Jan 18^th, 2005 at 5:17pm

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If british aviation was today what it was in the 60's the Harrier would be supersonic by now. And if the P.1154 project wasn't cancelled then the Harrier would have been supersonic from the very outset. As I see it, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And the Harrier certainly ain't broke. I mean, at least it can take off from a carrier. Which puts it one step ahead of the JSF. Grin

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Reply #41 - Jan 19^th, 2005 at 2:40pm

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Which would see the Sea Harrier retired, the JSF cancelled, and ultimately scrapped completely because one of the biggest buyers has backed out. Grin

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Reply #42 - Jan 19^th, 2005 at 3:27pm