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Jan 7th, 2005 at 4:58am

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Can anyone explain me how it comes people seem to be more obsessed with WWII than any other war. Sure it was a world war, but so was the first. I mean, documentaries, games, books, ... it's all about the third reich...

I don't understand how this keeps haunting, while other great events like Vietnam, Desert Storm, WWI, Korea,... Get far less attention.

Or has this to do with the fact that i see things trough European glasses?
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Reply #1 - Jan 7th, 2005 at 5:57am

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I think WWII affected more ordinary people, at least in Europe. It was the first war that really involved civilians on a massive scale & nobody was safe. WWI seemed like ancient history even when I was young & those stinking trenches where it was mainly fought seemed far away. Most of the people who took part preferred to forget it & get on with their lives. I could actually talk to people who took part in WWII & others who had lost their homes & members of their family. When I was 10 years old that was almost everyone over 20 & some much younger, like my schoolmates, some of whom had lost one or both parents or siblings. I could also see the bomb damage all around me & visit the airfields where the RAF fighters & my BoB heroes were based only a few years before. From a very young age all I wanted to do was join the RAF & fly a Spitfire. Of course, by the time I was old enough the Spitfire was obsolete.

PS. My local barber had been gassed in the trenches during WWI. He wheezed terribly & never fully recovered. He never mentioned it & us kids knew better than to ask him about it. Quite understandably he was a bad-tempered old devil. He was the only WWI veteran I knew at the time.
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Reply #2 - Jan 7th, 2005 at 12:16pm

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My dad was in the US Army Engineers during WWII and had lots of pictures and stories that fascinated me.  So growing up I read lots of books and saw lots of movies and TV documentaries.  It seems like there is always something "new" to learn about WWII since there was so much going on back then.

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Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2005 at 12:33pm

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Another fascination is that WW2 spurred the development of the technology that we use today.  Just think, WW2 started with weapons that were just improvements over their WW1 counterparts - bolt action rifles, for example, and the mentality of the last war.  There were whispers of new technologies - radar, turbines, electric-based calculators.  By the end of the war, electronic warfare was a serious weapon, the turbine was heralded as the engine of progress, and the technologies spurred the economic and further technical developments to this day.

It was (mercifully, so far) the last global, declared war that touched the four corners, and in a way, it was the last war with clear cut "us" vs "them"
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 7th, 2005 at 2:17pm

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I think every generation has its "war of interest", a lot of the great WWII aces for example were inspired by the WWI pilots...
I'm sure when I'm old and grey (well more grey) then kids will be all into the Gulf War or something.....
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Reply #5 - Jan 7th, 2005 at 7:10pm

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I'm sure that the sheer duration of WWII has brought the interest level to where it is now.......afterall, can anyone really call the "7 Day War", a prominent period of any historical significance globally ?...
........I know that for the immediate residents of the afffected area, it must have seemed an eternity, but still, it lives in history as a WAR . Undecided

...and so upon sheer numbers of dead, maimed and injured/recovered(at least physically), an event which stretched from 1939-1945 will always hold high interest for most historians............
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2005 at 7:36am

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I think what makes WWI and WWII so very memorable is the fact that they were world wars. And because WWII was so much larger a conflict than WWI it's been remembered more. After all, when else in history have you had a war that takes place on almost every continent on the planet? I'm sure there are other factors too, but I think that the sheer scale of the conflict is whats keeping it remembered, and will continue to do so for along time yet.

It's also interesting to think that the second world war was made up of two seperate conflicts in Europe and the pacific that grew so vast that they merged into one huge melee.
 

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I've been thinking about it a bit more, maybe its because WWII is within living memory. My grandfathers fought in it along with all but one of my great uncles (he was just a couple of months short of call up when it finished). Perhaps its hearing descriptions of their battles that inspire us and make us wonder.
Also WWII was the first truely "filmed" war, cameramen in the front line with the soldiers filming their bravery, and death.
Gun cameras on planes showing enemies being shot down. Maybe because we have such records there is more interest, whereas say the Boer War can really only be read about...
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Reply #8 - Jan 8th, 2005 at 9:35am

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I still think it's because WWII affected ordinary people of all ages & gender in many countries. In convential wars the men (boys) go off to some remote place most people have never heard of to fight. In WWII civilians were affected every single day, either by being caught up in the carnage, working all hours in armaments factories (or other war work) or suffering as a result of shortages of vital supplies including food. This might have been more evident in Britain & occupied European countries but I'm sure it was pretty universal. WWII really was a World War & affected millions of ordinary people in almost every part of the world in some way. You don't need to read about it, just ask someone, anyone, who was alive at the time.
 

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Reply #9 - Jan 10th, 2005 at 3:37am

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I'm sure that the sheer duration of WWII has brought the interest level to where it is now.......afterall, can anyone really call the "7 Day War", a prominent period of any historical significance globally ?...
WW2 has lost the sharp edeges of it's political sensitivity, as there are less veterans alive each day. Even though the 7 days war was a huge achevement in the tactics department (expecially the cooperation between tanks and infantry), the outcome is still very visible in the news, and a source for heated debate.

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It was (mercifully, so far) the last global, declared war that touched the four corners, and in a way, it was the last war with clear cut "us" vs "them"
WW2 style "us" vs "them" did exist until 1991... when the soviet union finally collapsed. Up to that point the "us" vs "them" was battled out in the jungle of South America and the grasslands of Africa. On a small scale, but it was happening...
The next step in the "us" vs "them" was 1979 where the first lines of the next chapter were written... only the "us" and "them" were less clearly defined.

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Also WWII was the first truely "filmed" war, cameramen in the front line with the soldiers filming their bravery, and death.
Even though it was filmed to a great extend, most of the video material became available for the public long after the war ended. Vietnam still has the name of being the most "filmed" war, where the press got so many freedom that the public turned against the government. The war was brought to the living room...
This mistake will never be made again, and the 1991-200x Gulf confilct shows the way wars will be in the news from there on
 

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Reply #10 - Jan 10th, 2005 at 11:15am

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I can't help wondering that even though WWII is the most covered war in out history, we still can learn a lot about it. Yesterday I stumbled into a TV-program called Dunkerque, about the retreat of over 100.000 British soldiers back to the mainland at the start of WWII. Why are most programs about the liberation?  And if so, how is it possible I didn't know my hometown was liberated by the Polish? Gracious me, until a couple of years ago I even didn't know they were amongst the D-daytroops. Even worse is the fact that i recently found out there were Muslims fighting for the allied forces in Belgium! Go figure! Why didn't I know of this? Ok, I ain't a history-freak, but I do enjoy a nice documentary from time to time. Some aspects of wars seem to be easely forgotten.
 

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Reply #11 - Jan 10th, 2005 at 11:47am

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I can't help wondering that even though WWII is the most covered war in out history, we still can learn a lot about it. Yesterday I stumbled into a TV-program called Dunkerque, about the retreat of over 100.000 British soldiers back to the mainland at the start of WWII. Why are most programs about the liberation?

Omag. I think this is because last year (2004) was the 60th anniversary of the "D-Day" landings in Normandy. This year I imagine all the programs will be about the end of WWII.

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And if so, how is it possible I didn't know my hometown was liberated by the Polish? Gracious me, until a couple of years ago I even didn't know they were amongst the D-daytroops. Even worse is the fact that i recently found out there were Muslims fighting for the allied forces in Belgium! Go figure! Why didn't I know of this? Ok, I ain't a history-freak, but I do enjoy a nice documentary from time to time. Some aspects of wars seem to be easely forgotten.

The British Army was made up of many different nationalities & religions from all over the British Empire. These would be as varied as Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, South Africans, Gurkhas, Indians & many more. There were 1,000s from occupied countries like Poland & France, not forgetting Belgium & all over Europe, who made their own way to Britain to fight. What they went through to get here often makes great adventure stories in their own right. Unfortunately when they did make it they might be treated with suspicion or nobody knew quite what to do with them. Eventually it was all sorted out. If there were enough from one country they might all serve in the same company. One example is the 1st Polish Parachute Brigade that took part in Operation Market Garden. http://www.herbertholeman.com/para/events/driel.php
This is not counting the US Army whose members came from all over the US if not the world.

For WWII in Europe I recommend you try to get hold of some of the old classic WWII films like Dunkirk, The Battle of Britain, Reach for the Sky, The Longest Day, A Bridge Too Far, The Dam Busters, The Cruel Sea etc. Most of these are reasonably accurate. There are plenty more lesser known ones that are well worth watching.
 

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Reply #12 - Jan 10th, 2005 at 4:53pm

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Oh, the Polish! it's a shame that the soldiers that liberated parts of my country weren't able to return to there home country, cause Mr. stalin had other plans with his territory. But the Belgian state never helped these guys! They were lost, thounands of kilomters from home in a foreign country. It's a sad part of our history!
 

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But the Belgian state never helped these guys! They were lost, thounands of kilomters from home in a foreign country. It's a sad part of our history!

Unfortunately this is a common story & by no means restricted to your country. My own country is responsible for many things that I'm almost ashamed to admit but there's nothing I can do about it. I once worked with a Polish chap who had managed to come here & serve in the British Army. He stayed here after the war ended & married an Englishwoman. He never saw his family again although he occasionally phoned his mother who had remained in Poland. I expect he has passed away now. There were plenty more like him.
 

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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2005 at 7:02pm

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WW2 was the last of the great gunfighters with props!

Vietnam was an embarrasment
Desert Storm wasnt long enough or nearly as epic
Korea was overshadowed by trigger happy McCarther

Really, more dramatic things happened in WW2, the battles, the tecnology, the image.
 

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Reply #15 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 5:06pm

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WW2 was the last of the great gunfighters with props!

Vietnam was an embarrasment
Desert Storm wasnt long enough or nearly as epic
Korea was overshadowed by trigger happy McCarther

Really, more dramatic things happened in WW2, the battles, the tecnology, the image.


Aha! But it's the unknown that intrigues me more!
 

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