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Jan 5th, 2005 at 12:07pm

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Runners-up Grin
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Another runner-up... my first view of a Zero as well!
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One for Roger
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Some instruments there that I need, so what plane is it?
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The Hunchback of Britain... but jolly good at bashing bombers out of the sky Smiley
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Incredibly rare Boulton Paul Defiant 1, at one time believed by the Germans to be a rear-firing Hurricane!!!
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The ugliest plane Supermarine ever made!
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Saving the best for last Grin Grin Grin Chris are you still on for grabbing one of those Merlins?
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Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 12:46pm
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Nice shots but I'd like to see more shots of you 4 who went! Smiley Wink
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 1:03pm

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Reply #3 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 1:08pm

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Ummm Mark. That's not a Zero old chap. Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 1:13pm

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Hmm time to get back into CFS2 and work on my aircraft recognition then methinks Embarrassed
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 1:16pm
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That 109G-2 is just plain *drool*! Grin
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 1:20pm

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Agreed. One of my regrets is that I never saw (or heard) her in the air. Sad

PS. That's the famous "Black 6".
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 2:00pm
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PS. That's the famous "Black 6".


Still airworthy?
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 2:27pm

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Not since it crashed in '97.
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 2:32pm
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Sure,but I thought they had it completely repaired.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 5th, 2005 at 2:47pm

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Sure,but I thought they had it completely repaired.

It was only repaired to static display standard as it was going to be retired anyway. Unfortunately it crashed during its last display season, just before I got to see it fly. It was quite badly damaged so I doubt it will ever fly again.
 
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Pity she will never fly again but she still looks stunning!
As seen last year by me during my trip to Europe:

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I got alot of strange looks carrying my Maxxum 9 around with the huge flash on it while in the museum Grin.

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Just a question... boy, I am going to regret this... Is that 109 the real deal? I mean: is it a real plane or a replica? Cause the pictures remind me of an overgrown model, the colours make it look a bit like plastic...

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Reply #14 - Jan 6th, 2005 at 9:15am
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It is the real deal and the Spit looks like a plastic model,too. Must be the paint...
 
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It's real enough. I believe that "Black 6" was the only airworthy genuine Bf 109G-2 Trop anywhere in the world. It took many years of hard work by a small dedicated restoration team to get it flying. Then some idiot went & crashed it during its final display season. Fortunately the pilot survived unhurt athough the aircraft ended up on its back & he couldn't get out. To his credit he refused to allow it to be lifted to rescue him without the proper equipment to avoid further damage.

PS. Sorry Charlie. All due respect to Sir John Allison but I believe this was simple case of pilot error. Pilots entrusted with these rare birds should be aware of their responsibilities & look after them like gold dust.

PPS. A very sad sight. More like it here. http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bf109g2.html

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This may explain the paint-job on the Me-109:
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PS. Sorry Charlie. All due respect to Sir John Allison but I believe this was simple case of pilot error. Pilots entrusted with these rare birds should be aware of their responsibilities & look after them like gold dust.


You'd think an Air Marshal would do a better forced landing... At least he was kind in that he didn't let the crash crews cut him out of the aircraft - he waited till it was lifted up again... Wink
 
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I reckon the only reason he waited for the proper lifting gear was so that there were enough people around to protect him from being lynched Grin
 
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As I understood it, Black 6 had fluid leak of some kind towards the end of its display. Still should have been able to get it back down safely though. I saw it fly once at Duxford.
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From the accident investigation report I read it was finger-trouble. The Bf 109 has a notorious fuel switch (I think it's the fuel switch) that must be positively positioned or it cuts off the fuel. I believe the smoke was caused by lack of fuel, not a fluid leak. I'm sorry but I think a display pilot of his experience should have know that. I'm glad he was unhurt (except for his pride) but I will never forgive him. I can only imagine what the restoration team thought about it. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #21 - Jan 7th, 2005 at 8:47am
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I think british or other foreign pilots and german aircraft,especially a Bf-109, is no good combination. It's a miracle that Sir Allison even got it off the ground.
 
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Very nice photos... I've got to visit someday.Very sad about that 109; I've heard they are very difficult to land, even under normal conditions. I think I have an idea how to get that Merlin: Two men disguised as a pantomime horse could enter the museum quietly with a dolly and a horse blanket; quickly put the engine stand on the dolly, cover it with the blanket, and walk it out between the two halves of the horse. It can't miss! Who would suspect a pantomime horse?
 
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Hi all,

This 109 is, as Doug says, 'Black six' I have the video of this aircraft during its rebuild. It was found in the desert where it was found abandoned. It was used for 'evaluation' purposes, firstly, then later when in great disrepair, was rescued by a couple of RAF chaps, who carted it around with them to various bases over a twenty-odd years, until it ended up at Duxford. One point of interest, is that when the D/B engine was sent to R/R for repair, they admitted they could not match the tolerences of D/B!!!!!


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The worlds most current Bf109 pilot (until last year at least) is a serving RAF Flt Lt I believe. The fact that the aircraft was operated faultlessly by a small cadre of aircrew for 7 or 8 years without incident pays testament to their professionallism and skill (I think there were 4 of them - I can think of 3 but not the fourth - very frustrating).

It was just unfortunate the engine problem occured when it did - on another day maybe Sir John would have made a perfect forced landing (he didn't do that bad a job that time). It's also unfortunate to think that if Cambridgeshire council had paid for the M11 to go a mile or so east they could have kept the original runway length at Duxford!

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Don't look at me. I'm in enough trouble already. Comes from consorting with that load of reprobates. Roll Eyes Tongue Wink

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I've seen a cow wearing wellies if that is any good Chris Grin
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Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2005 at 7:34am
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Reply #34 - Jan 11th, 2005 at 7:39am
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(Back on to Sir John Allison)
I find it incredibly frustrating, as a young man (14y/o) to see such fabulous aircraft destroyed like that, before I ever see it fly.
Missing out the first time was bad enough, without people like Allison doing what he did.
I feel sorry for the poor man, though, I mean, what is to say he did not try his best to get it down in one piece.
And to ATI 9700Pro, do you think that American and British aircraft in German hands is a good thing ? ( I'm just asking, not being agitatory.)

It is a sad thing to see old aircraft crash, but as Methuselah Barret said,
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I'd say it was bad Andrew, afterall all the instruments are in metric, and we Brits think in imperial Grin Grin Grin
 
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Reply #36 - Jan 11th, 2005 at 9:42am
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No.

And Ozzy,I love that movie! One of Val Kilmer's best roles!  Grin
 
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