Who left the gates open at the Ubi-zoo?

Back to the water in PF's. It's all very well having different water's. But the smooth stuff looks like my bath, I'd like to see you find a sea like that in the Pacific, and the rough stuff, well, i've seen rougher puddles. Hardly the sort of stuff to make the bow of the ship go up and down 50-100 feet with each wave.

You make it nice and clear that the carriers pitch and roll. All I can say is "wow". CFS2 can do that. So nothing new there.

Also Whiskey Bravo, try looking for reflections when the sun's out. Doing it during a thunderstorm is akin to checking out your shadow on a cloudly night.

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I can only agree with you there. EAW is still, as far as i'm concerned, the most realistic sim as far as the actualy combat goes.

Bear... those shots were in he sim while flying. I just hit pause.. jumped out of the cockpit... panned to the angle I wanted with my mouse and hit print screen. Im not sure what you mean by painted on.... the water undulates...... If you ever have to bail in the water and the seas are rough the water will undulate.. pitching your raft up and down..... that is at water 3.... I dont like to fly online at that setting as my FRs go to19-25..... I set my water to water 1 which looks better than the glassy water 2 IMO... the resoan the water in those other shots was so glassy is that the ship was not moving.. it was probably done on a DF or QM.

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Hi B99,

I was referring to the plane not the water...you were talking about the polished skins in your post at UBI & I was asking if the skin reflects things real time or if the highlights are part of the planes paint.

BEAR

B99,

This might clarify what I am saying if the movie works, had to do some major compression on it.

http://www.avhistory.org/movies/p51ref.avi

Notice how the Dolls skin reflects the red sunset as it rolls along with the gray clouds.  All aircraft will relect light.  Natural skin polished planes more but even cammo paint to a certain extent just like real life.

BEAR

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OK.....Hi Crazy Bear

Excuse me but Bearcat 99 first brought up the polished skin thing at the Zoo a day or so ago,  not Moi.

"""Bearcat99
332nd VFG CO & Forum Moderator

Someone mentioned clouds in the Avisim thread.....pfft.... and weather..... the only thing the weather in CFS has over this is that it is dynamic... Ill take a FB thunderstorm over a CFS one anyday. Dont get me started on the lightning. Objects in CFS are IMO better rendered as far as scale goes.... but visually? Pfft.... and the planes? I have yet to see polished aluminum in CFS. I mean polished like this.. """""

I was just asking him about it here as he has posted the P-51 picture here & I am under the impression I as the "Anti-Sun God" may not be welcome at the Zoo.

Just to follow up on your thought - good water over polished skin reflections in a flight sim....I go with skin reflections every time.

The USAAC went with natural skin in Europe for two reasons. First to save weight on the Berlin run & second to taunt the Luftwaffe to come up & fight.  There was no mistaking who the shiny planes flying all over Germany belonged too.

Bad news for a pilot of one the reflectors it also make him visible to his opponent at a much greater distance.  Thats the reason after Korea they went back to cammo & later flat grays.

Based on the above I believe skin reflections are way more important then pretty water in a flight sim.

BTW I have always said from day 1 that PF has really great water for a sim.  But you are correct its just not that important to me in a flight sim. Your mileage may vary.

BTW if y'all want to really create havoc and mayhem best stop pitching those softballs...someone might think y'all are on the MS take.  

BEAR

sincere apology bear, i felt that you were the one going around baiting people but i realize that you are a (semi ) reasonable guy and i was writing more of my emotions than the facts of what u said in previous posts. i would agree that if from a far off distance u can see a glimmer of light off the bare metal from the angle of the sun it would add something to a flight sim but as far as i know cfs3 does not do this, nor does il2 feel free to correct me on that issue if need be.  I also agree great water isn't really a necessity but i still insist unless a polished aluminum skin gives you some kind of tactical disadvantage and your enemy an advantage, as you described, then it is just as irrelevant. Basically i think the issue here is you can't play with il2 the same you can tinker with cfs3. For full customizability cfs3 is certainly the way to go as you can make your own planes if you have the time, and there are countless downloads of planes, even make your own maps but as an il-2 player (who has also played cfs3, though admittedly not with firepower or the 1% AC) it is my opinion like others have stated the feeling of flight is there with il-2, not with cfs3. It's almost an intangable thing, but in my opinion il-2 has it. It seems to me just that little bit more realistic, something is just there you can't get with cfs3. to put it simply quality over quantity, which is oversimplified, but thats basically how i feel.